[ajug-members] ajug, (good)interesting experience...

Thu May 22 17:01:14 EDT 2008

if anyone has time: >> http://ofig.org/it | those are my skills 
(generally)- i am 'wanting' to get 'paid' for what has been my hobby... 
-and drop the teaching/environmental-science job(s) but, i am new to 
java(oop)- i should start a small project- i did write this in java for 
my son to work math problems...  also is my first exception/throw/catch 
stuff... attached is the .java text for MathWork.java  ||  i want to get 
deeper, but get lost in netbeans quickly

i like this user-group...

barclay

Kerry Wilson wrote:
> People are always happy to tell you why you cannot do something, no matter
> what it is.
>
> The easiest way to learn programming is to start a project, small at first,
> and build on it.
> Scratch your own itch.  So, you are a math teacher?  Maybe you should create
> a small website for your classes.
>
> 1. Learn HTML / Javascript / CSS - Make a site where you distribute lesson
> plans, quizzes, etc.
> 2. Add some Java (or ASP.NET *gasp*) - Maybe a login where people can see
> their grades, or a calendar app perhaps
> 3. Study Design Patterns and learn a framework - Is your website working for
> you?  Maybe you should package it for sell or host it for others
>
> Who knows if you do this you may not need someone else to hire you at all!
> It is a process for sure, for learning Java I recommend Core Servlets &
> JavaServer Pages.  It may be a little old, but I loved that book.  Once you
> are pretty familiar with servlets / JSP, you should be able to see why we
> need frameworks and start to learn one.  Spring MVC and JSF is pretty
> popular now, but who knows what it will be when you get to that point.  The
> steepest learning curve to me learning JEE was getting app server
> configuration down, but I that was doing everything myself.  Some hosts will
> help you with that.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> kerry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 521 [mailto:521 at ofig.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: ajug-members at ajug.org
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] ajug, (good)interesting experience...
>
> that is quite depressing, i understood why you said it though, as i was just
>
> throwing thoughts into a user-group email- i will respond with the
> following; 
> i have spent a lot of time involved in (first) hardware, (second) tcp/ip, 
> (third) web/html/ftp/stuff, (fourth) procedural programming, and finally 
> (currently only about 1  yrs) oop/java... -maybe i'll stick with teaching
> 8th 
> grade math...  :)
>
> this sounds like i am argueing, i am not though- maybe 
> programming/logic/analysis/patterns is not for me; and i see what you are 
> saying in that 'even' jr. programmer-positions (most of them) require 2-3
> yrs 
> experience...  i guess i need those 3 and 4 hundred-level 'college' courses 
> (thousands of hours) that would make the difference
>
> thanks for you input chris, good luck to you...
>
> my plan is to keep applying for programmer-jobs/positions
>
> barclay
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 09:46:16 -0400, Chris Abney wrote 
>   
>> What is java/flat-file/home-grown ?   
>>
>> The grammar in your email is not good.  This has nothing to do with 
>> Programming but it has a lot to do with the kind of work you would be 
>> expected to do as a programmer. 
>> Most... Strike that.  All positions in IT will involve some degree of 
>> technical writing.   
>>
>> Without being able to impress others with significant university level 
>> academic experience in computer science you will need to have 
>> significant project work to show. 
>> Come up with a personal project - Some sort of program to design and 
>> build.  Some people do free work for open source projects. 
>> Build it; Then document it on the web. 
>> Using book author quality technical writing, you should show that you 
>> understand the design issues, design patterns, programming idioms and 
>> how to write code. 
>>
>> This should sound like a lot of work.  If you really want to get into IT 
>> (programming anyway) just patently and consistently put in the hours. 
>> Today, it is the rare exception that people begin a successful lasting, 
>> careers as a programmer with just a desire and few continuing education 
>> classes. 
>> Remember, most of the people you are competing with spent a LOT of money 
>> to be able to work 2 or 3 thousand hours a year (in college) to be able 
>> to be programmers. 
>> If you haven't done the equivalent, then you are asking for something 
>> extra. 
>>
>> The good news is - If you enjoy programming, a project like this should 
>> be fun. 
>>
>> Chris Abney 
>> chris at abney.info 
>> Former Java study group leader 
>> Answerer of this question many times over 
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: mcdaniel [mailto:521 at ofig.org] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:50 PM 
>> To: ajug-members at ajug.org 
>> Subject: [ajug-members] ajug, (good)interesting experience... 
>>
>> good stuff there at ajug... -i smiled inside... 
>> i'm a one-year java/oop programmer as i understand procedural 
>> programming for a while- i was at the ajug last evening/night and was at 
>> the eat-ery before-hand, i spoke with nice/helpful people there 
>> (thanks).  i need help (i think)- i just passed java2 for programmers at 
>> a local tech school- via, they used this product: learnkey.com [ 
>> http://www.learnkey.com/Java2_for_Programmers ]- with an above 80% grade 
>> (which 'only' means i can 'tell' (some)one  /*casting*/ or 'do' 
>> fair/basic java stuff)... at any rate- i like who/what i learned-about 
>> last evening, and wanted to say the following- 
>>
>> i can get interviews but can not get hired because the chicken came 
>> before the egg, i mean the egg came before the chicken 
>>
>> hire? no-experience; experience? no-hire... 
>> -at rate(any)... 
>> i liked the man that spoke, and i think the word 'vehicle' should be the 
>> class for 'water', 'land', or 'air' as the type-of-shipping (as 
>> boat/submarine, plane/helicopter , or truck/van/train)- shoot, there's 
>> more categories (already...); however, i played it safe (as the 
>> person-type that the speaker spoke-about) and said nothing- until the 
>> end... (project-clean'up/project-pre'execution/what-ever-the-term(s)); 
>> thanks, i learned/was-able-to-understand-larger-issues from my time 
>> spent; also, i was the one asking the question about interfaces which 
>> lead to the bomb discussion [from the response(s)] from a few weeks ago- 
>>
>> humor, maybe? (below): 
>>
>> the interface is java's dynamic programming...-cast everything in a 
>> switch/case 
>>
>> i'm a php/mysql (ish) becomming java/flat-file/home-grown 
>>
>> i'm asking-for, i guess... if one can give (if you have the time) 
>> advise/comments for-getting-hired-via career change... 
>>
>> http://ofig.org/it 
>>
>> sincerely, -barclay 
>>
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