[ajug-members] ajug, (good)interesting experience...

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that is quite depressing, i understood why you said it though, as i was just 
throwing thoughts into a user-group email- i will respond with the following; 
i have spent a lot of time involved in (first) hardware, (second) tcp/ip, 
(third) web/html/ftp/stuff, (fourth) procedural programming, and finally 
(currently only about 1  yrs) oop/java... -maybe i'll stick with teaching 8th 
grade math...  :)

this sounds like i am argueing, i am not though- maybe 
programming/logic/analysis/patterns is not for me; and i see what you are 
saying in that 'even' jr. programmer-positions (most of them) require 2-3 yrs 
experience...  i guess i need those 3 and 4 hundred-level 'college' courses 
(thousands of hours) that would make the difference

thanks for you input chris, good luck to you...

my plan is to keep applying for programmer-jobs/positions

barclay




On Thu, 22 May 2008 09:46:16 -0400, Chris Abney wrote 
> What is java/flat-file/home-grown ?   
> 
> The grammar in your email is not good.  This has nothing to do with 
> Programming but it has a lot to do with the kind of work you would be 
> expected to do as a programmer. 
> Most... Strike that.  All positions in IT will involve some degree of 
> technical writing.   
> 
> Without being able to impress others with significant university level 
> academic experience in computer science you will need to have 
> significant project work to show. 
> Come up with a personal project - Some sort of program to design and 
> build.  Some people do free work for open source projects. 
> Build it; Then document it on the web. 
> Using book author quality technical writing, you should show that you 
> understand the design issues, design patterns, programming idioms and 
> how to write code. 
> 
> This should sound like a lot of work.  If you really want to get into IT 
> (programming anyway) just patently and consistently put in the hours. 
> Today, it is the rare exception that people begin a successful lasting, 
> careers as a programmer with just a desire and few continuing education 
> classes. 
> Remember, most of the people you are competing with spent a LOT of money 
> to be able to work 2 or 3 thousand hours a year (in college) to be able 
> to be programmers. 
> If you haven't done the equivalent, then you are asking for something 
> extra. 
> 
> The good news is - If you enjoy programming, a project like this should 
> be fun. 
> 
> Chris Abney 
> chris at abney.info 
> Former Java study group leader 
> Answerer of this question many times over 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: mcdaniel [mailto:521 at ofig.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:50 PM 
> To: ajug-members at ajug.org 
> Subject: [ajug-members] ajug, (good)interesting experience... 
> 
> good stuff there at ajug... -i smiled inside... 
> i'm a one-year java/oop programmer as i understand procedural 
> programming for a while- i was at the ajug last evening/night and was at 
> the eat-ery before-hand, i spoke with nice/helpful people there 
> (thanks).  i need help (i think)- i just passed java2 for programmers at 
> a local tech school- via, they used this product: learnkey.com [ 
> http://www.learnkey.com/Java2_for_Programmers ]- with an above 80% grade 
> (which 'only' means i can 'tell' (some)one  /*casting*/ or 'do' 
> fair/basic java stuff)... at any rate- i like who/what i learned-about 
> last evening, and wanted to say the following- 
> 
> i can get interviews but can not get hired because the chicken came 
> before the egg, i mean the egg came before the chicken 
> 
> hire? no-experience; experience? no-hire... 
> -at rate(any)... 
> i liked the man that spoke, and i think the word 'vehicle' should be the 
> class for 'water', 'land', or 'air' as the type-of-shipping (as 
> boat/submarine, plane/helicopter , or truck/van/train)- shoot, there's 
> more categories (already...); however, i played it safe (as the 
> person-type that the speaker spoke-about) and said nothing- until the 
> end... (project-clean'up/project-pre'execution/what-ever-the-term(s)); 
> thanks, i learned/was-able-to-understand-larger-issues from my time 
> spent; also, i was the one asking the question about interfaces which 
> lead to the bomb discussion [from the response(s)] from a few weeks ago- 
> 
> humor, maybe? (below): 
> 
> the interface is java's dynamic programming...-cast everything in a 
> switch/case 
> 
> i'm a php/mysql (ish) becomming java/flat-file/home-grown 
> 
> i'm asking-for, i guess... if one can give (if you have the time) 
> advise/comments for-getting-hired-via career change... 
> 
> http://ofig.org/it 
> 
> sincerely, -barclay 
> 
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