[ajug-members] Can anyone recommend a book for learningRubyon Rails?

Wed Jul 30 14:01:23 EDT 2008

Having recently been forced to move from Spring based architectures to
Seam+JSF, I can say I'm not as impressed. Seam makes JSF palatable, but if
given the choice between Spring+view container of choice OR JSF (in whatever
incarnation) I would go back to Spring in a split second.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Joe Sam Shirah <joe_sam at bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
>    As far as my two cents, I've been happy with my choice of JSF and
> Facelets.  With some boilerplate code, you can go straightaway and
> eliminate
> JSP altogether, keeping (IMO) code where code belongs.  On the last two
> projects, I've included RichFaces for rich and ajax capabilities.  I tend
> to
> be minimalist and have run into few framework issues.  On larger projects,
> faces-config.xml tends to get big, but virtually everything is in one
> place.
>
>    If anyone's interested, I have an article with code, and live demo on
> conceptGO's Community page, at:
>
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-richfaces/index.html?S_TACT=105AGX02&S_CMP=HP
>
>    Because of JEE support, I believe JSF is worth a look.  I have word from
> an EG member that JSF 2.0 will support varieties of both Facelets and JSF
> Templating.
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gunnar Hillert" <gunnar at hillert.com>
> To: <ajug-members at ajug.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Can anyone recommend a book for learningRubyon
> Rails?
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The core idea of Struts 2 is really nice - Plain POJOs that serve as
> > actions (Great for testing - by default no dependency on the request).
> > Your action's instance variables are immediately available in your JSPs
> > (In a sense similar to Rails). It is certainly a step-up from Struts
> > 1.x. and I think it is nicer to work with than Spring MVC < v2.5 as well.
> >
> > That being said - While it is very easy to get started you will hit
> > quite a few annoyances with Struts 2, most of them are minor but the
> > biggest one right now is that the present version of Struts is over a
> > year old and the current Dojo integration is awful and has been
> > substantially refactored in 2.1 - but I am waiting for the final 2.1
> > release for months now...
> >
> > Have you looked at Spring MVC 2.5? It improved quite a bit since the 2.0
> > days (Fully supports annotation-based configuration now), plus you have
> > Spring Webflow readily available in case you need to handle
> > conversational state.
> >
> > Right now I am a bit on the fence between both frameworks - maybe they
> > should just merge... Anyway - regarding RoR...'Agile Web Development
> > with Rails' is a great book (First and second edition). RoR certainly
> > has some nice features...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gunnar
> >
> > mike stittleburg wrote:
> >> Struts 2 == Webwork 2
> >>
> >> That said it's an improvement over Struts 1.x but still tedious. The
> >> pure java side (actions) are pretty straightforward. The greatest
> >> annoyance I find is with developing the views (jsp,tags,...). All the
> >> binding is still done with string attributes which is quite error
> >> prone. The tag libraries seem rather lame compared to something like
> >> JSF or ASP.NET :).
> >>
> >> I'm not convinced that the RnR view model is any less tedious and you
> >> are still mixing code and markup in the same file.
> >>
> >>     -----Original Message-----
> >>     *From:* Thomas, Dave [mailto:dthomas at tandbergtv.com]
> >>     *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:04 PM
> >>     *To:* ajug-members at ajug.org
> >>     *Subject:* Re: [ajug-members] Can anyone recommend a book for
> >>     learningRubyon Rails?
> >>
> >>     Looked at Struts 2, but at the time didn't look ready for prime
> >>     time.  It's completely different, so a rewrite in Struts 2 would
> >>     be the same as a rewrite in something with more sex appeal like
> >>     Seam+Facelets.  Or Ruby on Rails.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>     *From:* Darren Nelsen [mailto:dnelsen4 at Humana.com]
> >>     *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:46 PM
> >>     *To:* ajug-members at ajug.org
> >>     *Cc:* ajug-members at ajug.org
> >>     *Subject:* Re: [ajug-members] Can anyone recommend a book for
> >>     learning Rubyon Rails?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     What version of Struts are you on?
> >>
> >>     Struts 2 is far less tedious than Struts 1.x from what I've read.
> >>     Have you looked into that? Might be easier to migrate.
> >>
> >>
> >>     Inactive hide details for "Dewberry, Jim"
> >>     <jdewberry at connecture.com>"Dewberry, Jim" <jdewberry at connecture.com
> >
> >>
> >>     *"Dewberry, Jim" <jdewberry at connecture.com>*
> >>
> >>     07/29/2008 03:14 PM
> >>
> >>     Please respond to
> >>     ajug-members at ajug.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     To
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     <ajug-members at ajug.org>
> >>
> >>     cc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Subject
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     [ajug-members] Can anyone recommend a book for learning Ruby on
> >> Rails?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Hi Everybody!
> >>
> >>     Struts is tedious. Can anyone recommend a book for learning Ruby
> >>     on Rails?
> >>
> >>     Thanks, Jim_______________________________________________
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