[ajug-members] cert.

Thu Jul 24 13:08:42 EDT 2008

Yep ;-)

On Jul 24, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Chris Abney wrote:

> Yes, but you have a copy don't you :)
>
>
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> From: Barry Hawkins [mailto:barry at alltc.com]
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> My copy of the GOF book gets about as much use as those big coffee  
> table Bibles people have in their homes.  While some of the tried  
> and true patterns are in there, there's also a good deal of "how to  
> make C+
> + suck less", which has little bearing for the Java programmer.  If
> anyone has enjoyed the Head First books, they have one on design  
> patterns that I've gotten a kick out of.
>
> Barry
>
> On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Chris Abney wrote:
>
>> If you can deal with the C++ syntax, my pick for the best books on
>> OOP/OOD are:
>> Design patterns : elements of reusable object-oriented software by  
>> the
>> GOF -
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Design-patterns-elements-reusable-object- 
>> orien
>> ted/dp/0201633612 Object-Oriented Design Heuristics by Arthur J  
>> Riel -
>> http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Design-Heuristics-Arthur-Riel/ 
>> dp
>> /020163385X I bought those in the mid 90's.  That was $100 well  
>> spent.
>>
>> For the java syntax, I just go to the web.  There are a boat load of
>> examples there.
>>
>> Actually, in last 5 or so years I have been able to get great results
>> from just googling the desired pattern name.
>> To begin a OOP study I would go to
>> http://www.patterndepot.com/put/8/JavaPatterns.htm
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> From: Wilson, Jeff [mailto:jw9615 at att.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:00 AM
>> To: ajug-members at ajug.org
>> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] cert.
>>
>> Each of these books are good intros to Java and OO programming.
>> Several of them also deal with good coding practices.
>>
>> Agile Java, Jeff Langr
>> Thinking in Java, Bruce Eckel.
>> Head First Java,  Kathy Sierra
>>
>> This book is good because it teaches you common pitfalls in using
>> Java, and how to avoid them.
>>
>> Effective Java, Joshua Bloch
>>
>> +jeff (MJW)
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>>
>> Hye there , can some one give me a list of good books on good java
>> coding practices, Probably I should ask good OOAD coding practices.
>> Iam looking for a book which has  OOAD priciples , practices ,
>> patterns , and good coding practices.
>> Thanks!!!
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>>
>> Experienced programmers: Is java difficult to people who have
>> programmed for 5+ years with some sort of procedural-language and  
>> then
>> move to java?
>> In 2000, I moved from a C/assembly job to a Java position (having
>> never written a line of Java) and had no trouble making the
>> transition.  I feel that most of the knowledge that took me from my
>> early level of "competent" to "good" (which probably took a couple of
>> years) didn't actually have much to do with Java syntax.  In the
>> beginning, you can always google whatever you're trying to do (i.e.
>> "java sort"), so memorizing the libraries isn't something I'd worry
>> about.  Honestly, there's just too much out there to remember it all.
>> In addition to the stuff that comes with the JDK, you'll use many  
>> open
>> source utilities like Apache Commons in real world Java apps.  Just
>> write as much Java code as you can and you'll eventually memorize the
>> things that you commonly use.
>>
>> If you want to become a truly useful Java developer, I'd recommend
>> learning the basics of OO and JUnit (unit testing), getting
>> comfortable with a good IDE (I use Eclipse), and focusing on writing
>> human-readable code.  That's going to put you ahead of the majority  
>> of
>> people with whom I've ever worked.  There are plenty of good books  
>> out
>> there, but I found Robert Martin's /Agile Software Development,
>> Principles, Patterns, and Practices/ really made a lot of sense to me
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