[ajug-members] cert.

Tue Jul 22 21:07:44 EDT 2008

your time in this answer/comment below is both appreciated and 
understood- son of a gun- i've paid my dues in procedural-programming 
and have learned oop; i want someone to give me a shot; i am creative 
and know math; managers (interview me) do not hire me; oh well, i do 
hava a job with the NRCS, natural resources conservation service, but 
want a job as a programmer- if anyone has an interest- please speak with 
me; i think out of the box mostly and do not advertise myself well, ever 
(for the most part); programming is easy; some (proud) people want it to 
be difficult...

barclay

Chris Abney wrote:
> I think that it helped me a little.  It seems to be thought of as 
> something like 6 months worth of coding experience.
> If I were hiring, I would think of it like that.  It's not totally 
> dependable because people who know nothing about programming can pass 
> the test with 'cram and jam' techniques, lots of memorization, and so 
> forth.
> But still I would say that it is a more dependable indication of an 
> understanding of Java syntax than 6 months of experience on a resume. 
>  
> Unfortunatly, I think that you'll find that those (technical types) 
> who don't have the certification discount it's value.  This may be 
> 'sour grapes'.
>  
> How much it helps should depend on the relevance to the desired position.
> It should help a lot if the candidate has plenty of non-Java 
> programming experience (particularly OO) and they are applying for a 
> junior level Java Developer position.
>  
> Lots of Java experience, applying for a Senior Java Developer position 
> - not so much help.
>  
> [Tanget on - ]
> Unfortunately, there is an excess of offshore contractors in the US 
> now and if you don't have much experience it is really hard to 'get 
> your foot in the door'.
> But I know a reason for that.
> In 1997, I interviewed several people for a C programming job that I 
> was trying to leave gracefully after 3 years of working there.
> I was making $30K/yr and had a Computer Engineering degree from Ga 
> Tech so I knew that I could make more.  I really liked my boss so I 
> wanted a good replacement for him.
> All of the people that I interviewed were about to graduate with Tech 
> School degrees and had no real experience.  They wanted between $40K 
> to $50K /yr.....  Just not worth it.  I never got replaced.
> Some kind of 'C' programming certification wouldn't have gotten them 
> the job.
> Our industry needs some sort of apprenticeship concept.
> [Tanget off - ]
>  
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> *From:* 521 [mailto:521 at ofig.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:03 PM
> *To:* ajug-members at ajug.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ajug-members] cert.
>
> Bryan/others, does having it (scjp) help with obtaining a job?
>
> Barclay
>
> *On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:42:04 -0400, Bryan Pauquette wrote*
> > I took it quite a while ago and I found it to be difficult also.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:06 PM,   
> <Rajesha.Indurthivenkata at equifax.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agress with gary , it is a fairly tough exam and the policy of not
> > > allowing pen and paper makes it more difficult. SO practice 
> without a pen
> > > and a paper
> > > Regards
> > > Rajesh Indurthi
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> > > "Gary Marshall" <gwjm56 at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > 07/21/2008 04:11 PM
> > >
> > > Please respond to
> > > ajug-members at ajug.org
> > > To
> > > ajug-members at ajug.org
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> > > Re: [ajug-members] cert.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are fairly new to Java, study very hard.  I found it to be 
> quite
> > > difficult.  I used all of the over three hours they gave you to 
> take the
> > > test to complete about 80 something questions.
> > > g
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/21/08, 521 <521 at ofig.org> wrote:
> > > Does anyone have their scjp? If so, will you please summarize 
> briefly how
> > > the
> > > test is/is-not difficult?
> > >
> > > barclay
> > >
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