[ajug-members] Speaking of JSF... some comments...

[Burr Sutter]

Maybe you can give us a presentation on Wicket?

 

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From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of Rick Reumann
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:42 PM
To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Speaking of JSF... some comments...

 

If it was up to me and we had to choose a 'component based' framework I'd go
with Wicket. I still get a component based architecture without all the JSF
complexity or need to run on top of anything else (ie JBoss Seam). Wicket's
components are easily extensible as well. No xml configuration files either.


Modifying JSF components doesn't look like much fun either, and every time
in the past we've tried to use any off-the-shelf components, they'd have to
be tweaked. 

On 9/14/07, Burr Sutter <burrsutter at gmail.com> wrote:

That is the story that I've heard as well.  Facelets makes JSF very, very
nice (even on the Sun RI).  Plus corrected some things related to AJAX
support. 
The biggest "win" for JSF is around components.  Think VBXs - reusable
components that can add value to your web-based UI with minimal coding
effort.

 JBoss is/has open sourcing this kind of technology:
http://livedemo.exadel.com/richfaces-demo/ 

Now, I'm not personally sold on JSF either, however, it has improved
dramatically with the JSF 1.2 spec, the Sun RI (and MyFaces), the open
source available of components like Rich Faces and Facelets  -
https://facelets.dev.java.net/ (I've tried to get Jacob Hookom to Atlanta
before).  
Plus JBoss has open sourced Eclipse plugins for JSF and Facelets
editing/development: 
http://labs.jboss.org/tools
http://labs.jboss.com/jbossrichfaces/

Disclaimer: My paycheck comes from JBoss who happens to like JSF and we have
our best guy on that - Gavin King via his Seam project.  Plus we have Stan
Silvert as an Atlanta-based JSF contributor for both Sun RI and MyFaces.  So
this technology is moving along in a good direction.  

At this point, you should take a 2 to 3 weeks and prototype using 2 or 3
different web frameworks.  David Geary on the No Fluff Just Stuff tour often
talks about his experiences with the various web frameworks available in the
market.

Burr

 

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From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of Brian Antonelli
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:19 AM
To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Speaking of JSF... some comments...

 

JSF by itself, especially if you're just using the RI from Sun is not that
great. I was one of the early adopters and deployed several applications
using JSF for Bellsouth at my previous job and there were times I wanted to
just scream. However, with recent developments and new implementations, like
MyFaces from Apache, it has gotten a lot better.. There are also ways to go
"JSPless" like Facelets.. I am at Autotrader.com now and we have two
projects utilizing JSF (using MyFaces and Facelets) and have had pretty good
luck using these technologies..

--Brian

On 9/14/07, Rick Reumann <rick.reumann at gmail.com> wrote:

>From my brief time working with JSF, to be 'nice' I'll say I was not
pleased with it. Currently, at my new place of employment some 'pointy
heads' are considering using it for a project (for the sole reason of it
being a 'standard' - these 'pointy heads' haven't coded in years). I'm
working on a document voicing my objections, but I would really appreciate
some specific comments from those that have worked with it, or have lead a
team trying to use it, and the frustrations you've run into trying to
implement it. Yes, I know there are posts I can google for as well, and I am
using them as well, but I'd still appreciate any comments from this
community. I'll be happy with any feedback (even positive feedback on the
framework) either on-list or off-list. 

Thanks so much.

-- 
Rick 
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