[ajug-members] Speaking of JSF... some comments...

[Rick Reumann]

If it was up to me and we had to choose a 'component based' framework I'd go
with Wicket. I still get a component based architecture without all the JSF
complexity or need to run on top of anything else (ie JBoss Seam). Wicket's
components are easily extensible as well. No xml configuration files either.


Modifying JSF components doesn't look like much fun either, and every time
in the past we've tried to use any off-the-shelf components, they'd have to
be tweaked.

On 9/14/07, Burr Sutter <burrsutter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  That is the story that I've heard as well.  Facelets makes JSF very, very
> nice (even on the Sun RI).  Plus corrected some things related to AJAX
> support.
> The biggest "win" for JSF is around components.  Think VBXs - reusable
> components that can add value to your web-based UI with minimal coding
> effort.
>
>  JBoss is/has open sourcing this kind of technology:
> http://livedemo.exadel.com/richfaces-demo/
>
> Now, I'm not personally sold on JSF either, however, it has improved
> dramatically with the JSF 1.2 spec, the Sun RI (and MyFaces), the open
> source available of components like Rich Faces and Facelets  -
> https://facelets.dev.java.net/ (I've tried to get Jacob Hookom to Atlanta
> before).
> Plus JBoss has open sourced Eclipse plugins for JSF and Facelets
> editing/development:
> http://labs.jboss.org/tools
> http://labs.jboss.com/jbossrichfaces/
>
> Disclaimer: My paycheck comes from JBoss who happens to like JSF and we
> have our best guy on that - Gavin King via his Seam project.  Plus we have
> Stan Silvert as an Atlanta-based JSF contributor for both Sun RI and
> MyFaces.  So this technology is moving along in a good direction.
>
> At this point, you should take a 2 to 3 weeks and prototype using 2 or 3
> different web frameworks.  David Geary on the No Fluff Just Stuff tour often
> talks about his experiences with the various web frameworks available in the
> market.
>
> Burr
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:
> ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] *On Behalf Of *Brian Antonelli
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2007 11:19 AM
> *To:* General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> *Subject:* Re: [ajug-members] Speaking of JSF... some comments...
>
>
>
> JSF by itself, especially if you're just using the RI from Sun is not that
> great. I was one of the early adopters and deployed several applications
> using JSF for Bellsouth at my previous job and there were times I wanted to
> just scream. However, with recent developments and new implementations, like
> MyFaces from Apache, it has gotten a lot better.. There are also ways to go
> "JSPless" like Facelets.. I am at Autotrader.com now and we have two
> projects utilizing JSF (using MyFaces and Facelets) and have had pretty good
> luck using these technologies..
>
> --Brian
>
> On 9/14/07, *Rick Reumann* <rick.reumann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >From my brief time working with JSF, to be 'nice' I'll say I was not
> pleased with it. Currently, at my new place of employment some 'pointy
> heads' are considering using it for a project (for the sole reason of it
> being a 'standard' - these 'pointy heads' haven't coded in years). I'm
> working on a document voicing my objections, but I would really appreciate
> some specific comments from those that have worked with it, or have lead a
> team trying to use it, and the frustrations you've run into trying to
> implement it. Yes, I know there are posts I can google for as well, and I am
> using them as well, but I'd still appreciate any comments from this
> community. I'll be happy with any feedback (even positive feedback on the
> framework) either on-list or off-list.
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> --
> Rick
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Rick
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