[ajug-members] Is RichFaces still a viable candidate?

Burr Sutter burrsutter at gmail.com
Fri Oct 12 17:10:10 EDT 2007 

Well, http://labs.jboss.org/jbossrichfaces/ allows you to perform download
the source and the binaries for RichFaces.  I agree the demo being behind a
registration page is silly at best.  Please register and let me know if
anybody actually contacts you.  It is hard to keep up with all the Red Hat
marketing machinations.  

RH did write a check (a big check) to bring ajax4jsf, richfaces and the
exadel plugins into jboss.org.

The Eclipse-based tooling is available here: http://labs.jboss.org/tools/
I can't say that I've tried them much as I've been too busy in the
middle-tier.

It is true that RedHat will wish to offer support for these technologies but
they'll remain open source http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/richfaces/.




    Hi Burr,

> RichFaces is now here

    Actually, what happened is that ajax4jsf was "merged" with RichFaces
under Red Hat/JBoss.  Sounds like a buyout, but the things I saw were vague.
Anyhow, yes, you are correct as to the RichFaces link; I didn't put it
before, but that's where the demo link lives.  If you click the "online
Demo" link on that page, it goes, as I posted earlier, to:

                        http://livedemo.exadel.com/richfaces-demo/

which goes to the requested registration page.  The registration page was
inserted sometime Wednesday.


    To be clear, I'm not particularly concerned about the demo itself,
although it's an irritant and could disgruntle clients if I said "take a
look at the demo to see available component possibilities" and they are
asked to give company and phone.  From just a pointy head marketing point of
view, how smart is it to restrict your potential audience from viewing your
product?

    My concern is, if this is now required to just look
at a demo, what does that imply for the actual project?  ajax4jsf was
already open source, now it's subsumed under RichFaces.

    As I mentioned, blurbs reported:

>    "In time, RichFaces is expected to be integrated into JBoss Enterprise
> Platforms, at which point it will be supported via Red Hat subscriptions."

which may lead to something like "free, open source" that you have to
pay/register/subscribe to access.  I thought that fit in directly with your
postings regarding adoption considerations in open source.


                                                         Joe Sam

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Burr Sutter" <burrsutter at gmail.com>
To: <ajug-members at ajug.org>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Is RichFaces still a viable candidate?


> RichFaces is now here
>
> http://labs.jboss.com/jbossrichfaces/
>
> JBoss/Red Hat purchased it and open sourced it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Sam Shirah [mailto:joe_sam at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:39 PM
> To: jaxjug at yahoogroups.com; ajug-members at ajug.org
> Subject: [ajug-members] Is RichFaces still a viable candidate?
>
>
>    Apropos both a query at JaxJUG regarding Glassfish, and recent posts
> about open source at AJUG:
>
>    I'm starting a new project using SJSAS 9.1 (productized version of
> Glassfish to keep the client happy,) and Facelets.  In many ways this is a
> dream project, in that everything will be from scratch except for an
> existing database.  For some parts of the app, after quite a bit of review
> I
> decided to use RichFaces and spent several days (ending yesterday morning)
> creating an initial prototype.
>
>    Yesterday evening, I went to check something on the live demo and
> here's
> what I see:
>
>                        http://livedemo.exadel.com/richfaces-demo/
>
> If you didn't click it yet, what you *now* get is:
>
>                    http://www.info.redhat.com/forms/RichFaces
>
> which is a registration form asking for:
>
> "REGISTRATION
> Red Hat's trusted partner, Exadel, who originally developed and open
> sourced
> RichFaces, maintains a RichFaces demo application that showcases the
> different components available in RichFaces.
>
> Register to view the demo, and learn how to use the RichFaces JSF library
> components.
>
> Please complete this form with a valid email address to access the demo.
>
>       RichFaces Registration
>      * First Name:
>      * Last Name:
>      * Email Address:
>      * Business Phone:
>      * Organization:
>      * Country:    "
>
>    This is bothersome to me, because it turned me off and I expect it will
> turn off many other developers.  If one has to register with contact info
> to
> *see a demo*, what lies in the future?  Especially given this quote:
>
>    "In time, RichFaces is expected to be integrated into JBoss Enterprise
> Platforms, at which point it will be supported via Red Hat subscriptions."
>
> given in a number of press blurbs like:
>
> http://java.sys-con.com/read/428583.htm
>
>    Incidentally, to me this requirement tends to make me wonder about the
> overflow to other products like Seam.
>
>    I'm at a point where it will cost me billing for several days (my
> business ethics don't include billing for something I have to revamp due
> to
> my *apparently* poor choice) and time for my client, but I can still avoid
> being stuck with a product that dies from self-inflicted injuries or
> becomes
> proprietary while billing itself as open source.
>
>    So, any thoughts?
>
>
>                                                         Joe Sam
>
> Joe Sam Shirah -        http://www.conceptgo.com
> conceptGO       -        Consulting/Development/Outsourcing
> Java Filter Forum:       http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/
> Just the JDBC FAQs: http://www.jguru.com/faq/JDBC
> Going International?    http://www.jguru.com/faq/I18N
> Que Java400?            http://www.jguru.com/faq/Java400
>
>
>
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