[ajug-members] Eclipse champions

[Mitchell James]

Hey, those sound pretty good, although I won't be able to help with  
the Swing stuff, since I don't do Swing much.

How deep in each 'IDE features' category do you want to go?  Like,  
with editing, there's pretty much a "standard set" of features that I  
would expect to see *any* IDE to have.  And to add to that, there's a  
set of "nice to have" features that make each one unique.

For example:
  - code (and javadoc) completion, navigation, and assistance
  - refactoring (there's a VERY large set of potentials wrt this  
feature)
  - search/replace
  - source control integration
  - packaging and deployment
  - Ant/Maven integration
  - 3rd party plugins
  - there's really too many to list...

Even with all of the great choices of IDEs, for serious Java  
Development, you've got to have more tools in your tool-belt that  
don't fall within the realm of typical IDE usage.  Whether I'm on  
Windows or *nix or OSX, there's no substitute for a good text  
editor.  When on Windows, I prefer TextPad, on *nix, I prefer vi (vim  
if avail), and on the Mac, it's currently a toss up between vim and  
TextMate.

Also, there's bound to be specific features that make or break the  
choice of which IDE to use for some people.  What does it take for  
someone to switch?  For instance, for years now I keep hearing all  
these wonderful things about IDEA, and how it is so much better than  
Eclipse.  So, about a year ago I decided to take a look.  Admittedly  
I didn't spend too much time with it, but in what time I did spend,  
there was nothing that impressed me.  It just seemed like what I  
would expect in a normal IDE.  So, I asked several IDEA lovers why  
they love it so much, and no one I've talked to can give me a single  
feature that I would ever need that IDEA has, and Eclipse does not.


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James Mitchell
678.910.8017



On Jan 1, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Burr Sutter wrote:

> So far you are the only one to respond.
>
> Any initial ideas on the various "tests"?  I think we are looking for
> about 3 to 5 tests/demonstrations.  Here are some initial thoughts:
> - Editing, building, debugging
> - Profiling
> - Basic Struts-based app with deployment, debugging on Tomcat
> - Basic Swing-based app
>
> I'd like to hear from everybody on this list what their favorite
> Eclipse plug-ins are as that might be a way to show-off some
> capabilities that Eclipse has.
>
> Burr
>
> On 12/30/06, Mitchell James <jmitchell at apache.org> wrote:
>> I'd be happy to help.
>>
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>> --
>> James Mitchell
>> 678.910.8017
>>
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>> On Dec 29, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Burr Sutter wrote:
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>> > Who were our Eclipse champions again?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I need to pull you into an email thread discussing what the event
>> > will look like.
>> >
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>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Burr
>> >