[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

[Justin Meads]

Great article.  For all of you hiring types out there, it would be  
nice if you took note of one of his fundamental assumptions

"You should seriously consider allowing your expert developers to  
telecommute full-time. Restricting your search to programmers who  
live in your area or are willing to move limits the talent you can  
acquire. Arguments regarding "face time", productivity, etc. can  
easily be nullified when you look at how some of the largest and most  
successful Open Source projects such as Linux, Apache, and Firefox  
are developed by individuals rarely living in the same time zone or  
even country."

I have been a full-time remote worked for over 20 months now.  One  
other member of my team is also full-time remote and the rest of the  
team work from home two or three days a week.  I am required to spend  
one week a quarter in the office so that i get a little face time.  I  
am as productive today as when i use to work in the office (i just  
spend a lot less time sitting in traffic).

-Justin

On Aug 6, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Dean H. Saxe wrote:

> How topical...
>
> A Guide to Hiring Programmers: The High Cost of Low Quality
> http://blog.revsys.com/2007/08/a-guide-to-hiri.html
>
> Interesting read that plays very nicely into the discussion below.
>
> -dhs
>
>
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
> "What difference does it make to the dead,  the orphans, and the  
> homeless, whether the  mad destruction is wrought under the name of  
> totalitarianism or the holy name of  liberty and democracy? "
>     --Gandhi
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Dean H. Saxe wrote:
>
>> Amen, brother.  You definitely get what you pay for.  And we paid  
>> for it with lots of hard work.
>>
>> -dhs
>>
>> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or  
>> that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only  
>> unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the  
>> American public."
>>     -- Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:19 PM, douglas at morganatlanta.com wrote:
>>
>>> If you set your standards very high on the folks you will hire,  
>>> you have a really tough time filling positions (even if you  
>>> advertize on AJUG jobs), but if you set your standards lower, you  
>>> will end up with crap for a product (I know.  I inherited one of  
>>> those.  Ask Dean Saxe).  It still takes people to design products  
>>> and write code, and the quality of the output depends on the  
>>> quality of the input.  Do you think it is really easier to find  
>>> great people in third-world countries than in the US?  While  
>>> there are a lot of Indians and Chinese and Phillipinos, etc, they  
>>> have a long way to go in terms of democratizing quality education  
>>> in order to transform those large numbers of people into large  
>>> numbers of qualified IT professionals, and the leadtime for  
>>> producing IT professionals is rather long.  Given the growth rate  
>>> of the need for IT professionals in the US and world wide, I  
>>> don't see there being an excess of top-notch IT pros for a long  
>>> time (or ever).  Not a high percentage of people from societies  
>>> where people make $2000/yr end up getting Masters degrees in CS.   
>>> Those that do might manage to make a good living though, and  
>>> might even end up getting to come to the US on an H1B.  I wish  
>>> them the best of luck and hope they will send me their resume  
>>> after they finish their "indentured servitude".
>>>
>
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