[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

[Keith Welch]

Same vendor, but perhaps more to the point.
http://despair.com/discovery.html

-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>
>Sent: Aug 6, 2007 10:47 PM
>To: "General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)" <ajug-members at ajug.org>
>Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
>I think that would be bad for the customers of Wipro.  A long time ago I
>saw a poster.
>
>http://www.despair.com/consulting.html
>
>
>
>On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 22:20 -0400, Dean H. Saxe wrote:
>> How topical...
>> 
>> 
>> A Guide to Hiring Programmers: The High Cost of Low Quality
>> http://blog.revsys.com/2007/08/a-guide-to-hiri.html
>> 
>> 
>> Interesting read that plays very nicely into the discussion below.  
>> 
>> 
>> -dhs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>> "What difference does it make to the dead,  the orphans, and the
>> homeless, whether the  mad destruction is wrought under the name of
>> totalitarianism or the holy name of  liberty and democracy? " 
>>     --Gandhi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Dean H. Saxe wrote:
>> 
>> > Amen, brother.  You definitely get what you pay for.  And we paid
>> > for it with lots of hard work.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -dhs
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>> > dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>> > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
>> > that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
>> > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
>> > public."
>> >     -- Theodore Roosevelt
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:19 PM, douglas at morganatlanta.com wrote:
>> > 
>> > > If you set your standards very high on the folks you will hire,
>> > > you have a really tough time filling positions (even if you
>> > > advertize on AJUG jobs), but if you set your standards lower, you
>> > > will end up with crap for a product (I know.  I inherited one of
>> > > those.  Ask Dean Saxe).  It still takes people to design products
>> > > and write code, and the quality of the output depends on the
>> > > quality of the input.  Do you think it is really easier to
>> > > find great people in third-world countries than in the US?  While
>> > > there are a lot of Indians and Chinese and Phillipinos, etc, they
>> > > have a long way to go in terms of democratizing quality education
>> > > in order to transform those large numbers of people into large
>> > > numbers of qualified IT professionals, and the leadtime for
>> > > producing IT professionals is rather long.  Given the growth rate
>> > > of the need for IT professionals in the US and world wide, I don't
>> > > see there being an excess of top-notch IT pros for a long time (or
>> > > ever).  Not a high percentage of people from societies where
>> > > people make $2000/yr end up getting Masters degrees in CS.  Those
>> > > that do might manage to make a good living though, and might even
>> > > end up getting to come to the US on an H1B.  I wish them the best
>> > > of luck and hope they will send me their resume after they finish
>> > > their "indentured servitude".
>> > >  
>> 
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