[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

[Vincent]

I see where you are coming from and I used to feel the same way.
About a year and a half ago, the company I work for off-shored
a web application project to Bangalore. It was to be written by a team
of developers in the .NET framework. I won't bore you with the stories
of hampered communications, slipped deadlines, and the rest of
management's frustrations. Did I mention waterfall methodology? Let's
just say that in Aug 2007, the project has still not been deployed for
production use and there is talk of just scrapping the whole thing.
That project has made my java development team look like superstars.
Everyone loves our programs because they actually work. Following
a loose interpretation of Agile, we have gotten good at setting
customers expectations appropriately and we keep them involved every
step along the way. I also recommend reading the World is Flat
or getting unabridged audio book like I did. We really do have to
differentiate ourselves from the competition. That means specialization
and finding the niches that we can really excel at.
Stay Strong,
Vincent



Keith Welch wrote:
> Uh, maybe you didn't get the memo. They will NOT be hiring natives as
> developers to any major extent. They will hire native project managers,
> perhaps. I have seen them do that. I cannot believe the absolute naivete
> I see among development people. Doesn't anyone understand that bringing
> in cheap L-1s and H-1bs is the point of this move? These guys are coming
> to make a profit, not bask in Java one-ness. Everyone seems to be using
> any rationalization they can think of to deny the obvious.
> 
> I saw how the Wipro people work. They bring in L-1's and H-1b's to front
> for their offshore operation, and rotate them back to India so that they
> can bring in more people to train at their client's expense. That is not
> conjecture. I have been there. I have seen them. Satyam and Wipro doing
> this is why no GE (as in the largest company in America) business unit
> hires very few American software people anymore. I expect for the people
> who are profiting by this to try to diminish how bad this is. I'm just
> amazed at how "They haven't managed to offshore my job yet" translates
> into "This is a good thing for me" for some of you.
> 
> The ITAA claims that they are going to offshore the majority of
> remaining software development jobs between now and 2015, unless we stop
> them. If you don't know who the ITAA is, then you don't deserve to be
> commenting on this topic. NASCOM (same admonition) claims that we are
> violating international law by not allowing a completely unfettered flow
> of perhaps a million of software developers into the US. Ponder that for
> a moment. There are only 600,000 here now. Polish up on those spatula
> skills.
> 
> Before someone chimes in an claims that he would embrace them as
> brothers (oh, please spare me), or that would make the U.S. more
> competitive, bear in mind that you would be embracing
> them /permanently unemployment/. Political correctness is a major
> impediment to rational discussion, here. Opposing corrupt practices and
> economic irresponsibility does not make you a racist (I'm curious as to
> what race that would be opposing, as there are H-1b's and L-1s of every
> possible variation - including English-speaking caucasians). Software
> developement people are second-class citizens in the country, exposed
> directly to international wage competition like no one else. That
> includes sponsored people. Our common enemy is offshoring. Stop deluding
> yourselves.
> 
>  


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