[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

Thu Aug 2 17:23:45 EDT 2007

Have you read the book or are these just talking points from someone  
else? Methinks you have an axe to grind... I'm stepping out of this.

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak  
minds."
     --Einstein

On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Keith Welch wrote:

> Friedman is an idiot, and a shill for the globalization lobby.  
> There is NO job in the U.S. that can't be done cheaper with foreign  
> labor. Conceive some great idea, and the first thing your investors  
> are going to ask is how are you  going to make sure that the are no  
> Americans employed. Does that mean that we should tolerate this  
> because it benefits the billionaires?  God did not bestow on them  
> some divine right to wealth at your expense. Until then, how do we  
> feed our children? It will take a thousand years to bring third- 
> world income up to allow fair competition not based on the poverty  
> of billions.Vote people. Call you congressman. Raise hell. Vote.  
> Contribute to OUR lobby:
>
> http://www.brightfuturejobs.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Dean H. Saxe"
> Sent: Aug 2, 2007 4:31 PM
> To: "General AJUG membership forum ((100-200 messages/month))"
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
> Keith,
>
> I'd highly recommend reading Thomas Friedman's _The World is  
> Flat_.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_is_Flat
>
> FWIW, companies are not tied down to location any longer,  
> especially when it comes to development.  Whether Wipro is here or  
> in CA or Timbuktu doesn't matter.  Other organizations need to find  
> ways to compete against them or find new lines of business that  
> organizations like Wipro cannot compete in.  To think that keeping  
> Wipro out of Atlanta or out of the US will stop companies from  
> seeking cheaper labor is wishful thinking.  Companies don't, and  
> shouldn't IMHO, care where the work is done, only that it is done  
> correctly and for a fair price.
>
> -dhs
>
>
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or  
> that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only  
> unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American  
> public."
>     -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Keith Welch wrote:
>
>> > If you can't compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its  
>> time to find a new line of work
>>
>> Now this is the kind of mindless slogan that we need to get rid  
>> of. Do you understand how stupid this statement is? NONE of us can  
>> compete with poverty. NONE of us can compete with people working  
>> where the median wage is under $2,000 a year. Our dollar is worth  
>> 10 there. Go right ahead and try to complete, go work for $1,999 a  
>> year somewhere. Are you inadequate because you can't? No, you  
>> don't have the option of doing that, because you live in a country  
>> where you need to make 10 times that just to eat. No amount of  
>> getting better at your job is going to make a difference.
>>
>> Accusing someone of being incompetent because he has to pay $20K a  
>> year just in taxes more than the people that he has to compete?  
>> That just displays a lack of basic empathy. Individuals aren't the  
>> ones supposed to be able to "compete in a global marketplace". You  
>> can't. It is companies that are supposed to. Don't parrot someone  
>> else's propaganda. Your paycheck is already smaller because of  
>> this. I am amazed by the number of professionals who understand  
>> what is happening to them.
>>
>> Of course, I won't even dignify the statements that increasing the  
>> supply of Java developers is somehow good for us with a rebuttal.  
>> Somebody must have missed that day in business school when the law  
>> of supply and demand were discussed.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Dean H. Saxe"
>> Sent: Aug 2, 2007 12:30 PM
>> To: "General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)"
>> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian.  If you can't  
>> compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a  
>> new line of work.  (No, I'm not targeting you in particular, I  
>> meant the statement in general.)
>>
>> I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in  
>> your opinion.
>>
>> -dhs
>>
>> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak  
>> minds."
>>     --Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)
>>>
>>>  http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? 
>>> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027525
>>>
>>> I don't consider this good news.  You can bet most of them will  
>>> not be local Atlanta people that are hired.  I've sent the GA  
>>> congressman emails stating we should fight this.  Maybe all the  
>>> ajug members should do the same.
>>> Brian Whitfield
>>>
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