[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

Thu Aug 2 17:17:51 EDT 2007

Oh please..... contractors as "second class employees"...now thats whining.
I work as a contractor at a company and I would not have it any other way
because I get paid by the hour and this company at times requires overtime.
As a salaried employee they would not get the extra hours of pay.  Also, as
a contractor, I have equal amount of technical know how as an employee.
Anyway, at this point in my game (learning Java),  it is irrelevant whether
the position is labeled as a contractor slot or permanent employee
Gary

On 8/2/07, Keith Welch <kwelch at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, many of which are contractors - read "second class employees" in most
> organization.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Justin Meads <justin at holabola.com>
> >Sent: Aug 2, 2007 4:54 PM
> >To: "General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)" <
> ajug-members at ajug.org>
> >Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
> >
> >I work at BellSouth and Accenture has had no impact on me.  We have
> >doubled the size of my dev team in the last two years.  The
> >department i work in has added 200 Java developers in the last couple
> >of years.
> >
> >-Justin
> >
> >On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources wrote:
> >
> >> Historically Wipro HAS brought them in from elsewhere - hard to
> >> ignore who/what they are.
> >>
> >> You are right - the people they bring in will eventually integrate
> >> (and compete with those already here).  The visas are supposed to
> >> be temporary.
> >>
> >> Ask those that used to be employed by Bellsouth if Accenture
> >> impacted them.  Wipro and other importers of large amounts of h1
> >> talent will impact everyone they compete with.
> >> Brian Whitfield
> >> Essential Resources
> >> phone: 770-271-3755
> >> tollfree: 866-837-3755
> >> fax:      770-271-9739
> >> brianw at essentialresources.net
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-
> >> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Burr Sutter
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:58 PM
> >> To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
> >> Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
> >>
> >> I'm not getting the "big deal" here.
> >>
> >> If Wipro tries to hire 1000 people in Atlanta it should drive up
> >> salaries.  There are not 1000 talented people in the unemployment
> >> line here in Atlanta.   Now if they plan to also build some sort of
> >> low rent apartment complex where 4 programmers live in a single
> >> room and import all of those 1000 people then that is another
> >> story.  Otherwise, I'm not sure how they'll escape paying the
> >> market rate for Atlanta-based talent.
> >>
> >> Keep in mind, all of those "foreigners" (and the article suggests
> >> they wish to hire local talent, not import offshore talent) will
> >> eventually learn to like living in single-family homes, going to
> >> Braves games, drinking $4 beverages from Starbucks, flat-screen
> >> TVs, just like the rest of us 2nd/3rd/4th generation Americans.
> >>
> >> The most negatively impacted would be Accenture, Unisys, IBM Global
> >> Services, etc since WiPro is a competitor of theirs.  The smaller
> >> consulting companies should continue to offer their special valued
> >> added services at reasonable rates.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-
> >> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:01 PM
> >> To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
> >> Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There are LOTS of reasons this is bad.  I'll give a big one - If
> >> there is a company in Atlanta that has hundreds of java developers
> >> working for rates typically below those of American workers - what
> >> do you think that does for rates/salaries, etc?  If all of a sudden
> >> the market is flooded with java people - what does that do for
> >> supply and demand?  This can and will affect the IT market in
> >> Atlanta.  It has to.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll be ok.  I'm not for total 'protectionism'.  I am also not for
> >> the 9-10 companies that dominate the use of h1 visas under the
> >> guise they couldn't find any workers in America (of which Wipro is
> >> one of them).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian Whitfield
> >> Essential Resources
> >> phone: 770-271-3755
> >> tollfree: 866-837-3755
> >> fax:      770-271-9739
> >> brianw at essentialresources.net
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-
> >> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:31 PM
> >> To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> >> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
> >>
> >> I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian. If you can't
> >> compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a new
> >> line of work. (No, I'm not targeting you in particular, I meant the
> >> statement in general.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in your
> >> opinion.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -dhs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> >>
> >> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
> >>
> >> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak
> >> minds."
> >>
> >> --Einstein
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)
> >>
> >> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?
> >> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027525
> >>
> >> I don't consider this good news. You can bet most of them will not
> >> be local Atlanta people that are hired. I've sent the GA
> >> congressman emails stating we should fight this. Maybe all the ajug
> >> members should do the same.
> >>
> >> Brian Whitfield
> >>
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