[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources brian_whitfield at mindspring.com
Thu Aug 2 17:16:42 EDT 2007 

Justin, 

Accenture affected LOTS of people from Bellsouth.   Back in the late 1990's
and early 2000 timeframe, Bellsouth converted LOTS of employees to Accenture
and outsourced lots of their development and operations to them.  They also
layed off quite a few contractors (who they either didn't need or wouldn't
convert).  Brilliant move for them because then they didn't have to report
those numbers when they 'downsized' (they weren't technically employed by
Bellsouth - they were contractors or employed by Accenture).  There were
lots of people on the street.  There was a time when Bellsouth hired many of
the C++ developers in Atlanta (that was the hot skill at that time).  When
they stopped and layed off a bunch of people as well it most definitely
affected lots of people in Atlanta as it temporarily flooded the market with
some pretty good people.   It took a year or longer to work everything out -
and this was before the 9/11 recession.   How soon people forget - or maybe
weren't around or close enough to it to know.  


Brian Whitfield
Essential Resources
phone: 770-271-3755
tollfree: 866-837-3755
fax:      770-271-9739
brianw at essentialresources.net

-----Original Message-----
From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of Justin Meads
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:54 PM
To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

I work at BellSouth and Accenture has had no impact on me.  We have doubled
the size of my dev team in the last two years.  The department i work in has
added 200 Java developers in the last couple of years.

-Justin

On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources wrote:

> Historically Wipro HAS brought them in from elsewhere - hard to ignore 
> who/what they are.
>
> You are right - the people they bring in will eventually integrate 
> (and compete with those already here).  The visas are supposed to be 
> temporary.
>
> Ask those that used to be employed by Bellsouth if Accenture impacted 
> them.  Wipro and other importers of large amounts of h1 talent will 
> impact everyone they compete with.
> Brian Whitfield
> Essential Resources
> phone: 770-271-3755
> tollfree: 866-837-3755
> fax:      770-271-9739
> brianw at essentialresources.net
>
>
>
> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Burr Sutter
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:58 PM
> To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
> Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
> I'm not getting the "big deal" here.
>
> If Wipro tries to hire 1000 people in Atlanta it should drive up  
> salaries.  There are not 1000 talented people in the unemployment  
> line here in Atlanta.   Now if they plan to also build some sort of  
> low rent apartment complex where 4 programmers live in a single  
> room and import all of those 1000 people then that is another  
> story.  Otherwise, I'm not sure how they'll escape paying the  
> market rate for Atlanta-based talent.
>
> Keep in mind, all of those "foreigners" (and the article suggests  
> they wish to hire local talent, not import offshore talent) will  
> eventually learn to like living in single-family homes, going to  
> Braves games, drinking $4 beverages from Starbucks, flat-screen  
> TVs, just like the rest of us 2nd/3rd/4th generation Americans.
>
> The most negatively impacted would be Accenture, Unisys, IBM Global  
> Services, etc since WiPro is a competitor of theirs.  The smaller  
> consulting companies should continue to offer their special valued  
> added services at reasonable rates.
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> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:01 PM
> To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
> Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
>
>
> There are LOTS of reasons this is bad.  I'll give a big one - If  
> there is a company in Atlanta that has hundreds of java developers  
> working for rates typically below those of American workers - what  
> do you think that does for rates/salaries, etc?  If all of a sudden  
> the market is flooded with java people - what does that do for  
> supply and demand?  This can and will affect the IT market in  
> Atlanta.  It has to.
>
>
>
> I'll be ok.  I'm not for total 'protectionism'.  I am also not for  
> the 9-10 companies that dominate the use of h1 visas under the  
> guise they couldn't find any workers in America (of which Wipro is  
> one of them).
>
>
>
> Brian Whitfield
> Essential Resources
> phone: 770-271-3755
> tollfree: 866-837-3755
> fax:      770-271-9739
> brianw at essentialresources.net
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:31 PM
> To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
> I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian. If you can't  
> compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a new  
> line of work. (No, I'm not targeting you in particular, I meant the  
> statement in general.)
>
>
>
> I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in your  
> opinion.
>
>
>
> -dhs
>
>
>
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>
> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>
> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak  
> minds."
>
> --Einstein
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> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources  
> wrote:
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> Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? 
> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027525
>
> I don't consider this good news. You can bet most of them will not  
> be local Atlanta people that are hired. I've sent the GA  
> congressman emails stating we should fight this. Maybe all the ajug  
> members should do the same.
>
> Brian Whitfield
>
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