[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

[Keith Welch]

Yes, many of which are contractors - read "second class employees" in most organization.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Justin Meads <justin at holabola.com>
>Sent: Aug 2, 2007 4:54 PM
>To: "General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)" <ajug-members at ajug.org>
>Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
>I work at BellSouth and Accenture has had no impact on me.  We have  
>doubled the size of my dev team in the last two years.  The  
>department i work in has added 200 Java developers in the last couple  
>of years.
>
>-Justin
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>On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources wrote:
>
>> Historically Wipro HAS brought them in from elsewhere - hard to  
>> ignore who/what they are.
>>
>> You are right - the people they bring in will eventually integrate  
>> (and compete with those already here).  The visas are supposed to  
>> be temporary.
>>
>> Ask those that used to be employed by Bellsouth if Accenture  
>> impacted them.  Wipro and other importers of large amounts of h1  
>> talent will impact everyone they compete with.
>> Brian Whitfield
>> Essential Resources
>> phone: 770-271-3755
>> tollfree: 866-837-3755
>> fax:      770-271-9739
>> brianw at essentialresources.net
>>
>>
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>> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
>> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Burr Sutter
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:58 PM
>> To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
>> Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>>
>> I'm not getting the "big deal" here.
>>
>> If Wipro tries to hire 1000 people in Atlanta it should drive up  
>> salaries.  There are not 1000 talented people in the unemployment  
>> line here in Atlanta.   Now if they plan to also build some sort of  
>> low rent apartment complex where 4 programmers live in a single  
>> room and import all of those 1000 people then that is another  
>> story.  Otherwise, I'm not sure how they'll escape paying the  
>> market rate for Atlanta-based talent.
>>
>> Keep in mind, all of those "foreigners" (and the article suggests  
>> they wish to hire local talent, not import offshore talent) will  
>> eventually learn to like living in single-family homes, going to  
>> Braves games, drinking $4 beverages from Starbucks, flat-screen  
>> TVs, just like the rest of us 2nd/3rd/4th generation Americans.
>>
>> The most negatively impacted would be Accenture, Unisys, IBM Global  
>> Services, etc since WiPro is a competitor of theirs.  The smaller  
>> consulting companies should continue to offer their special valued  
>> added services at reasonable rates.
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>> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
>> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:01 PM
>> To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
>> Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>>
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>> There are LOTS of reasons this is bad.  I'll give a big one - If  
>> there is a company in Atlanta that has hundreds of java developers  
>> working for rates typically below those of American workers - what  
>> do you think that does for rates/salaries, etc?  If all of a sudden  
>> the market is flooded with java people - what does that do for  
>> supply and demand?  This can and will affect the IT market in  
>> Atlanta.  It has to.
>>
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>>
>> I'll be ok.  I'm not for total 'protectionism'.  I am also not for  
>> the 9-10 companies that dominate the use of h1 visas under the  
>> guise they couldn't find any workers in America (of which Wipro is  
>> one of them).
>>
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>>
>> Brian Whitfield
>> Essential Resources
>> phone: 770-271-3755
>> tollfree: 866-837-3755
>> fax:      770-271-9739
>> brianw at essentialresources.net
>>
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>> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
>> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:31 PM
>> To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
>> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian. If you can't  
>> compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a new  
>> line of work. (No, I'm not targeting you in particular, I meant the  
>> statement in general.)
>>
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>>
>> I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in your  
>> opinion.
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>>
>> -dhs
>>
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>> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>>
>> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>>
>> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak  
>> minds."
>>
>> --Einstein
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>> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources  
>> wrote:
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>> Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)
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>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? 
>> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027525
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>> I don't consider this good news. You can bet most of them will not  
>> be local Atlanta people that are hired. I've sent the GA  
>> congressman emails stating we should fight this. Maybe all the ajug  
>> members should do the same.
>>
>> Brian Whitfield
>>
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