[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

[Dean H. Saxe]

Keith,

I'd highly recommend reading Thomas Friedman's _The World is Flat_.   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_is_Flat

FWIW, companies are not tied down to location any longer, especially  
when it comes to development.  Whether Wipro is here or in CA or  
Timbuktu doesn't matter.  Other organizations need to find ways to  
compete against them or find new lines of business that organizations  
like Wipro cannot compete in.  To think that keeping Wipro out of  
Atlanta or out of the US will stop companies from seeking cheaper  
labor is wishful thinking.  Companies don't, and shouldn't IMHO, care  
where the work is done, only that it is done correctly and for a fair  
price.

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or  
that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only  
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American  
public."
     -- Theodore Roosevelt


On Aug 2, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Keith Welch wrote:

> > If you can't compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its  
> time to find a new line of work
>
> Now this is the kind of mindless slogan that we need to get rid of.  
> Do you understand how stupid this statement is? NONE of us can  
> compete with poverty. NONE of us can compete with people working  
> where the median wage is under $2,000 a year. Our dollar is worth  
> 10 there. Go right ahead and try to complete, go work for $1,999 a  
> year somewhere. Are you inadequate because you can't? No, you don't  
> have the option of doing that, because you live in a country where  
> you need to make 10 times that just to eat. No amount of getting  
> better at your job is going to make a difference.
>
> Accusing someone of being incompetent because he has to pay $20K a  
> year just in taxes more than the people that he has to compete?  
> That just displays a lack of basic empathy. Individuals aren't the  
> ones supposed to be able to "compete in a global marketplace". You  
> can't. It is companies that are supposed to. Don't parrot someone  
> else's propaganda. Your paycheck is already smaller because of  
> this. I am amazed by the number of professionals who understand  
> what is happening to them.
>
> Of course, I won't even dignify the statements that increasing the  
> supply of Java developers is somehow good for us with a rebuttal.  
> Somebody must have missed that day in business school when the law  
> of supply and demand were discussed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Dean H. Saxe"
> Sent: Aug 2, 2007 12:30 PM
> To: "General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)"
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
> I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian.  If you can't  
> compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a new  
> line of work.  (No, I'm not targeting you in particular, I meant  
> the statement in general.)
>
> I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in your  
> opinion.
>
> -dhs
>
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak  
> minds."
>     --Einstein
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources  
> wrote:
>
>> Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)
>>
>>  http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? 
>> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027525
>>
>> I don't consider this good news.  You can bet most of them will  
>> not be local Atlanta people that are hired.  I've sent the GA  
>> congressman emails stating we should fight this.  Maybe all the  
>> ajug members should do the same.
>> Brian Whitfield
>>
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