[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

Thu Aug 2 15:17:03 EDT 2007

Vasu,

I understand what you are saying.

I have an Indian friend who told me how some H1-B workers from large Indian
outsource companies work. They come to US just for 1 to 3 years. Most of the
time their family will stay in India. When they get here, several of them
will live in one apartment. And they work over time, nights even weekends
because they don't have a family here to spend time with. They are making
twice as much as they make in India but about half of what American
contractors get, because their company bid low prices and take portions of
that price too.

All I want to say is that it is not a fair competition.

just my 2c.

Alex

On 8/2/07, Vasu.Vasili2 at cox.com <Vasu.Vasili2 at cox.com> wrote:
>
>  I am really glad that someone is talking about this. I am a US resident
> with Indian origin. These big companies will only suck blood; they are bad
> for American economy as a whole. They will bring down the prices for average
> guys I understand that the top notch guys will be paid as usual but nobody
> is top notch right away.
>
>
>
> I say they are bad for American economy because they will bid low rates
> from the companies, and pay far lower to those h1b guys for which an
> American won't be able to run a family. There is no regulation on what those
> h1b people get and it is very bad for an average American to compete
>
>
>
> Though my voice won't go too far; I wish you all the best to stop these
> parasite companies destroying the quality of a tech workers life and quality
> of technology
>
>
>
> Thank You!
> Vasu
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>
> *From:* ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:
> ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] *On Behalf Of *Ron Cordell
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:03 PM
> *To:* General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> *Subject:* Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
>
>
> The article indicates that the reason is not to import workers, since
> there is the H1-B visa cap, but to provide resources under the Wipro company
> that are based in the US. Of course there will be some foreign workers, but
> hey, if they're good developers, I welcome them, because most of the ones I
> run across, whether American or otherwise just aren't all that good.
>
> On 8/2/07, *John Bushfield* <john.bushfield at pomgaming.com> wrote:
>
> Brian – part of your anxiety, it appears, is based on an assumption that
> the 'hundreds of java developers' will be working for sub-standard rates,
> and that the market will become flooded with java people.  My experience
> tells me that good java folks, just like good employees everywhere, can and
> will command premium pay.  And, the increased demand created by companies
> like Wipro will only make it harder to find good talent, making pay and job
> security even less of an issue.  As a competitive matter this situation puts
> java jocks in the catbirds seat!  Be happy.  Be very, very happy.
>
>
>
> JB
>
>
>
> John A. Bushfield
>
> Vice President, Operations
>
> Pace-O-Matic, Inc.
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:01 PM
> *To:* 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
> *Subject:* RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
>
>
> There are LOTS of reasons this is bad.  I'll give a big one - If there is
> a company in Atlanta that has hundreds of java developers working for rates
> typically below those of American workers - what do you think that does for
> rates/salaries, etc?  If all of a sudden the market is flooded with java
> people - what does that do for supply and demand?  This can and will affect
> the IT market in Atlanta.  It has to.
>
>
>
> I'll be ok.  I'm not for total 'protectionism'.  I am also not for the
> 9-10 companies that dominate the use of h1 visas under the guise they
> couldn't find any workers in America (of which Wipro is one of them).
>
>
>
> Brian Whitfield
> Essential Resources
> phone: 770-271-3755
> tollfree: 866-837-3755
> fax:      770-271-9739
> brianw at essentialresources.net
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Dean H. Saxe
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:31 PM
> *To:* General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> *Subject:* Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
> I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian. If you can't compete
> in a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a new line of work.
> (No, I'm not targeting you in particular, I meant the statement in general.)
>
>
>
>
> I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in your
> opinion.
>
>
>
> -dhs
>
>
>
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>
> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>
> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
>
>
> --Einstein
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources wrote:
>
>
>
> Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)
>
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027525
>
> I don't consider this good news. You can bet most of them will not be
> local Atlanta people that are hired. I've sent the GA congressman emails
> stating we should fight this. Maybe all the ajug members should do the same.
>
>
> Brian Whitfield
>
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