[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

[Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources]

Leif, 
 
To answer your questions:
 
Are you assuming that people from other countries are going to come in and
take these jobs?  - Absolutely, if history is a guide.  Wipro is an Indian
company that is one of the largest users of H1 visas in the US.  That's what
they do. 

Are you assuming that having 1000 (probably closer to 500) more developers
in Atlanta is going to make a dent in the world-wide Enterprise Java market
talent shortage?  - Worldwide - no.  Locally and even regionally -
absolutely.   

Do you think, since the article cites the "labor force and proximity to
technical schools" as reasons for choosing Atlanta, that they will be
poaching your clients or employees?  - No I don't think they will be
poaching  my employees.  Some of my clients may eventually outsource to them
or others, but that is business.  That is not my greatest concern.   Most
significantly - there are some large companies in Atlanta that probably will
outsource to them.  Probably a few large projects (that's what they do).
That means that those projects will not be worked by local people - who will
fill yet other jobs in Atlanta changing the whole supply/demand curve.  I
think they will increase the supply of java candidates locally with people
that are paid less than the current going rate in Atlanta, lowering the
demand for developers in Atlanta as a result.  Many of their people will
eventually leave Wipro and be on the open market (ie. increased supply) as
they discover what other developers are making further changing the
supply/demand curve.    

I am just trying to get a handle on why you'd think that more local options
Java developers (both the inexperienced and the highly experienced) makes
for bad news. -   Not many of the local developers are going to work for
Wipro.   Wipro traditionally doesn't hire locally - they bring in h1's.
Their 'close to local schools, etc' is in my guess a smokescreen so they can
do what they want - open large centers in America staffed with their workers
from overseas. 
They won't create much of  'another option'.    Instead, there will be more
people competing for the jobs there are (because some projects will be going
to them and they will use outsourced labor).   

Brian Whitfield
Essential Resources
phone: 770-271-3755
tollfree: 866-837-3755
fax:      770-271-9739
brianw at essentialresources.net


 

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From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of Leif Wells
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:18 PM
To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta


Brian,

I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong, nor do I know any insider
information about this situation, but in reading the article you mentioned I
don't really see what large effect this will have on our community as a
whole. 

Are you assuming that people from other countries are going to come in and
take these jobs?
Are you assuming that having 1000 (probably closer to 500) more developers
in Atlanta is going to make a dent in the world-wide Enterprise Java market
talent shortage? 
Do you think, since the article cites the "labor force and proximity to
technical schools" as reasons for choosing Atlanta, that they will be
poaching your clients or employees?

I am just trying to get a handle on why you'd think that more local options
Java developers (both the inexperienced and the highly experienced) makes
for bad news. 

Seriously, I would like to better understand why this would be bad.

Leif




On 8/2/07, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources <
<mailto:brian_whitfield at mindspring.com> brian_whitfield at mindspring.com>
wrote: 

There are LOTS of reasons this is bad.  I'll give a big one - If there is a
company in Atlanta that has hundreds of java developers working for rates
typically below those of American workers - what do you think that does for
rates/salaries, etc?  If all of a sudden the market is flooded with java
people - what does that do for supply and demand?  This can and will affect
the IT market in Atlanta.  It has to.  


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