[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

Thu Aug 2 14:31:34 EDT 2007

I guess I stand corrected.  It would seem most people think having 1000 new
people from a company that has been investigated by congress for misusing h1
visas is a good idea (and by the way - Wipro was).  

We'll see what happens.  You can bet something will.   

Let's imagine a large project (project A) get's outsourced to them.   The
local people that would have been hired for ProjectA  are now not hired for
that particular project (because it was outsourced to Wipro who brought in
h1 people instead) and are instead available for other projects (including
projectB).   ProjectB now has more available candidates becaused there is an
increased supply.  Someone who may have been previously hired for ProjectB
is not now hired  (that job was taken by someone who would have originally
worked for ProjectA had it not been outsourced).   It does change the
supply/demand curve.  Potentially significantly.   Large concentrations of
people coming to town (h1 or not) DO affect the market.  In fact, any large
influx (or layoff) from one place can affect the market significantly - in
ways greater than one might initially consider.   

Wipro will satisfy most of their demand with foreign talent (if history is
any guide) and ultimately increase the supply.  Of course one could think
the increased supply will mean other companies move here and increase the
demand, etc etc).  

In any case, the market continues to be good in Atlanta - at least for the
foreseeable future.  The strong will survive.  You are right - be happy (but
not because Wipro is coming to town).   

Brian Whitfield

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From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of John Bushfield
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:46 PM
To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

Brian - part of your anxiety, it appears, is based on an assumption that the
'hundreds of java developers' will be working for sub-standard rates, and
that the market will become flooded with java people.  My experience tells
me that good java folks, just like good employees everywhere, can and will
command premium pay.  And, the increased demand created by companies like
Wipro will only make it harder to find good talent, making pay and job
security even less of an issue.  As a competitive matter this situation puts
java jocks in the catbirds seat!  Be happy.  Be very, very happy.

JB

John A. Bushfield

Vice President, Operations

Pace-O-Matic, Inc.

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From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:01 PM
To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

There are LOTS of reasons this is bad.  I'll give a big one - If there is a
company in Atlanta that has hundreds of java developers working for rates
typically below those of American workers - what do you think that does for
rates/salaries, etc?  If all of a sudden the market is flooded with java
people - what does that do for supply and demand?  This can and will affect
the IT market in Atlanta.  It has to.  

I'll be ok.  I'm not for total 'protectionism'.  I am also not for the 9-10
companies that dominate the use of h1 visas under the guise they couldn't
find any workers in America (of which Wipro is one of them).  

Brian Whitfield
Essential Resources
phone: 770-271-3755
tollfree: 866-837-3755
fax:      770-271-9739
brianw at essentialresources.net

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From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:31 PM
To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian. If you can't compete in
a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a new line of work. (No,
I'm not targeting you in particular, I meant the statement in general.) 

I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in your opinion.

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH

dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com

"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." 

--Einstein

On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources wrote:

Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic
<http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art
icleId=9027525> &articleId=9027525 

I don't consider this good news. You can bet most of them will not be local
Atlanta people that are hired. I've sent the GA congressman emails stating
we should fight this. Maybe all the ajug members should do the same. 

Brian Whitfield

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