[ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta

[Dean H. Saxe]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

One last thought:  You get what you pay for.  The difference between  
a developer earning 80k and 100k is not $20k in salary, its a  
difference in productivity levels! A simple, nonscientific,  
completely pulled out of my backside analogy would be a highly  
qualified developer commanding a 100k salary can do twice the work of  
a less qualified developer making 80k.  Which one would you prefer on  
your team?  Which is the better value to the company?

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people  
what they do not want to hear."
     -- George Orwell, 1945


On Aug 2, 2007, at 1:45 PM, John Bushfield wrote:

> Brian – part of your anxiety, it appears, is based on an assumption  
> that the ‘hundreds of java developers’ will be working for sub- 
> standard rates, and that the market will become flooded with java  
> people.  My experience tells me that good java folks, just like  
> good employees everywhere, can and will command premium pay.  And,  
> the increased demand created by companies like Wipro will only make  
> it harder to find good talent, making pay and job security even  
> less of an issue.  As a competitive matter this situation puts java  
> jocks in the catbirds seat!  Be happy.  Be very, very happy.
>
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> JB
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> John A. Bushfield
>
> Vice President, Operations
>
> Pace-O-Matic, Inc.
>
> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:01 PM
> To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
> Subject: RE: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
>
>
> There are LOTS of reasons this is bad.  I'll give a big one - If  
> there is a company in Atlanta that has hundreds of java developers  
> working for rates typically below those of American workers - what  
> do you think that does for rates/salaries, etc?  If all of a sudden  
> the market is flooded with java people - what does that do for  
> supply and demand?  This can and will affect the IT market in  
> Atlanta.  It has to.
>
>
>
> I'll be ok.  I'm not for total 'protectionism'.  I am also not for  
> the 9-10 companies that dominate the use of h1 visas under the  
> guise they couldn't find any workers in America (of which Wipro is  
> one of them).
>
>
>
> Brian Whitfield
> Essential Resources
> phone: 770-271-3755
> tollfree: 866-837-3755
> fax:      770-271-9739
> brianw at essentialresources.net
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> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members- 
> bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:31 PM
> To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Wipro coming to Atlanta
>
> I'm not exactly sure how this is bad for you, Brian. If you can't  
> compete in a global marketplace then perhaps its time to find a new  
> line of work. (No, I'm not targeting you in particular, I meant the  
> statement in general.)
>
>
>
> I'd love if you can help me understand why this is bad news in your  
> opinion.
>
>
>
> -dhs
>
>
>
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
>
> dean at fullfrontalnerdity.com
>
> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak  
> minds."
>
> --Einstein
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> On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources  
> wrote:
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> Not entirely java unrelated (we'll compete with these guys for jobs)
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? 
> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027525
>
> I don't consider this good news. You can bet most of them will not  
> be local Atlanta people that are hired. I've sent the GA  
> congressman emails stating we should fight this. Maybe all the ajug  
> members should do the same.
>
> Brian Whitfield
>
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