[ajug-members] Rumour control was A Gosling sighting in Atlanta...

[Vincent]

Sun's hardware sales have started to rebound recently, surpassing Dell
in the second quarter:
http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=6698&pagtype=all

As far as languages go, I think Sun has been working to better  support 
"scripting" languages. Beanshell, Groovy and Pnuts (the ones I've used 
before) all run quite well today. As far as non-java centric languages
go, I'm not really feeling the need to have them included in the JVM, 
though it would certainly make life more interesting.

Finally my biggest fear is the viral nature of the GPL. I have not 
really had a chance to look at version 3 , so I may be totally wrong.
On some of my projects, I deliberately look for BSD or commercial 
licenses (that we can purchase) for things that have to be distributed 
to a customer. This snippet from a conversation on IRC 
(irc://irc.darkmyst.org/funkycodemonkey) kind of illustrates my fear:


larryBoy>	i can't use GPL
larryBoy>	or the project becomes GPL
GhettoJava>	you can't use linux either?
GhettoJava>	that's gPL
larryBoy>	not as part of the project
larryBoy>	I *do* use java.lang.Object
larryBoy>	if it's GPL
larryBoy>	uhh
larryBoy>	so is everything that extends it


Again, Neither I nor no one I know has even glanced at GPLv3, so this
may all be mute. Also, I'm not a GPL hater, I love linux and the GNU
tool set, it's the lawyers that worry about it.
Thanks,
Vincent




Ron Cordell wrote:
> And why should Sun do such a thing? What is the business case for it? 
> Microsoft has the OS to sell because of the CLR, development tools to 
> sell, and plenty of direct ways of making money from supporting those 
> languages. Sun has no direct means of realizing anything from supporting 
> those languages, especially at a time when they are working hard to find 
> a profitable business model again. Sun used to make lots of money from 
> the sale of hardware to support systems designed around Java 
> technologies, but that's dropping off quite a bit.
> 
> On 9/20/06, *Les Hazlewood* <les at hazlewood.com 
> <mailto:les at hazlewood.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I was kinda bummed he sort of side-stepped my question about supporting
>     or publicizing other languages - i.e. the Java language vs. the Java
>     Virtual Machine platform question.  Maybe I phrased it incorrectly, but
>     I wanted to know what Sun was doing (if anything) to _support_ and
>     champion other languages other than Java itself.  Their recent hiring of
>     the JRuby team lends some credence that they're willing to support
>     other
>     things, but unless making a public announcement as such, .NET will
>     surely win the marketing war on this one.
> 
>     I already knew that the JVM platform has been able to run hundreds of
>     languages for a long time now - for those interested, here is the site
>     that Mr. Gosling referred to last night:
>     http://www.robert-tolksdorf.de/vmlanguages.html.
> 
>     But what I want to know is what other languages could be considered
>     'first rate' by Sun on the JVM?  Right now its only Java, and I've heard
>     no public announcements otherwise.  .NET has VB, C, C++, C#, SmallTalk,
>     and a few others directly supported by Microsoft.  Why can't Sun
>     step up
>     to the plate on others too?  I'd like to see Ruby, Python, and most
>     importantly for me, SmallTalk (I'm amazed at that language, and sad that
>     its not as ubiquitous as Java is today, but that's a _whole_ 'nuther
>     discussion ;) ).
> 
>     On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:42:38 -0400, "Steve Finch" <Sfinch at manh.com
>     <mailto:Sfinch at manh.com>>
>     said:
>      > I believe he said they were working towards GPL 3.
>      >
>      > http://gplv3.fsf.org/
>      >
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>     <mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org>] On Behalf Of Vincent
>      > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:49 AM
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>      > Subject: [ajug-members] Rumour control was A Gosling sighting in
>      > Atlanta...
>      >
>      > Was it just me or did "Father" James Gosling just tell us last night
>      > that Sun was favoring a GPL-like license over BSD-like one? Nice
>     meeting
>      >
>      > by the way, this was my first since moving to the area this month.
>      > Thanks,
>      > Vincent Stoessel
>      >
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