[ajug-members] Rumour control was A Gosling sighting in Atlanta...

[Dan Marchant]

Licensing of the JVM, etc...
Don't forget if you ship the JVM you usually have to license it from SUN.
Same goes for some of their SDKs.

GPL would probably support this still but give opportunities to work
on the code in a community setting. Dual licensing.

On 9/20/06, Ron Cordell <ron.cordell at gmail.com> wrote:
> And why should Sun do such a thing? What is the business case for it?
> Microsoft has the OS to sell because of the CLR, development tools to sell,
> and plenty of direct ways of making money from supporting those languages.
> Sun has no direct means of realizing anything from supporting those
> languages, especially at a time when they are working hard to find a
> profitable business model again. Sun used to make lots of money from the
> sale of hardware to support systems designed around Java technologies, but
> that's dropping off quite a bit.
>
>
> On 9/20/06, Les Hazlewood <les at hazlewood.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was kinda bummed he sort of side-stepped my question about supporting
> > or publicizing other languages - i.e. the Java language vs. the Java
> > Virtual Machine platform question.  Maybe I phrased it incorrectly, but
> > I wanted to know what Sun was doing (if anything) to _support_ and
> > champion other languages other than Java itself.  Their recent hiring of
> > the JRuby team lends some credence that they're willing to support other
> > things, but unless making a public announcement as such, .NET will
> > surely win the marketing war on this one.
> >
> > I already knew that the JVM platform has been able to run hundreds of
> > languages for a long time now - for those interested, here is the site
> > that Mr. Gosling referred to last night:
> > http://www.robert-tolksdorf.de/vmlanguages.html.
> >
> > But what I want to know is what other languages could be considered
> > 'first rate' by Sun on the JVM?  Right now its only Java, and I've heard
> > no public announcements otherwise.  .NET has VB, C, C++, C#, SmallTalk,
> > and a few others directly supported by Microsoft.  Why can't Sun step up
> > to the plate on others too?  I'd like to see Ruby, Python, and most
> > importantly for me, SmallTalk (I'm amazed at that language, and sad that
> > its not as ubiquitous as Java is today, but that's a _whole_ 'nuther
> > discussion ;) ).
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:42:38 -0400, "Steve Finch" <Sfinch at manh.com>
> > said:
> > > I believe he said they were working towards GPL 3.
> > >
> > > http://gplv3.fsf.org/
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
> > > [mailto: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Vincent
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:49 AM
> > > To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> > > Subject: [ajug-members] Rumour control was A Gosling sighting in
> > > Atlanta...
> > >
> > > Was it just me or did "Father" James Gosling just tell us last night
> > > that Sun was favoring a GPL-like license over BSD-like one? Nice meeting
> > >
> > > by the way, this was my first since moving to the area this month.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Vincent Stoessel
> > >
> > >
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