[ajug-members] Web 2.0

[Ron Cordell]

Interesting timing on this topic. Our company is moving through a working
group process to decide what to recommend as a standard thin client
framework for use by development teams in the organization. We have used
Struts in the past, but we've decided that we want to move away from Struts,
and are looking at other MVC frameworks. Specifically we are interested in
how the MVC frameworks work with RIA's like AJAX, or maybe even Flash. More
importantly (to us) is that everything work within a portlet world, even if
the development team is not specifically producing portal applications. We
have a somewhat short time line to look at some of these things, on the
order of a couple of months or so. I'd be happy to see what others are
thinking on this topic, and share what we come across as well.

-Ron Cordell

On 2/5/06, Burr Sutter <burrsutter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to start a discussion related to Web 2.0, AJAX and JSF.
>
> First some background information:
> * Here is the wikipedia definition of Web 2.0 -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0
> From a developer standpoint it means that we are considering the use of
> AJAX and RSS/RDF to create a more user-interactive and dynamic web
> application.
>
> * AJAX is basically async requests to the server with zero page refresh
> time, it allows for really cool web-based applications like GMail, OddPost
> and Google Maps.  Check out www.ajaxian.com .  I'm going to try to get
> Dion or Ben (the founders behind Ajaxian) to come to Atlanta for a
> presentation.  What do you think about one of them being one of our keynotes
> for the conference.
>
> * JSF is Java Server Faces and it is the standard for Java EE 5 for
> building server-side web-based applications.
> Here is an interesting tidbit on JSF vs Struts:
> http://www.jroller.com/page/dgeary?entry=top_ten_reasons_to_prefer
> JSF was originally modeled after ASP.NET WebForms.
>
> The Java Champions have been asked to provide feedback on what
> Sun/Java/JCP should be doing for Web 2.0 and AJAX.
> The obvious answer is to make it incredibly easy to implement in JSF
> components/widgets, so easy that the end-developer (the person assembly
> his/her custom web form) isn't even aware that there are partial async
> requests happening to keep the scrollbars on his/her datagrid working well.
> I've personally spent the last 2 years working on ASP.NET applications
> with a little bit of Struts on Websphere on a parttime basis. I've not tried
> to build a product based on JSF.
>
> What are your thoughts on this matter?
>
> What is out of scope for this discussion? Struts, unless it is simply
> talking about a really cool feature of Struts that should be available in
> JSF (and I think Tiles have already been integrated into MyFaces).
>
> Burr
>
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