[ajug-members] Web 2.0

[Joe Sam Shirah]

    Hi Burr,

    You ( or maybe others, since you said "I've not tried to
build a product based on JSF." ) might look over Facelets:

https://facelets.dev.java.net/

    I've completed a series of mostly CRUD/reporting pages, and was pretty
happy with the results.  No JSP!  I did use JSF 1.2.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Burr Sutter" <burrsutter at gmail.com>
To: <ajug-members at ajug.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: [ajug-members] Web 2.0


I'd like to start a discussion related to Web 2.0, AJAX and JSF.

First some background information:
* Here is the wikipedia definition of Web 2.0 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0
>From a developer standpoint it means that we are considering the use of
AJAX
and RSS/RDF to create a more user-interactive and dynamic web application.

* AJAX is basically async requests to the server with zero page refresh
time, it allows for really cool web-based applications like GMail, OddPost
and Google Maps.  Check out www.ajaxian.com.  I'm going to try to get Dion
or Ben (the founders behind Ajaxian) to come to Atlanta for a presentation.
What do you think about one of them being one of our keynotes for the
conference.

* JSF is Java Server Faces and it is the standard for Java EE 5 for building
server-side web-based applications.
Here is an interesting tidbit on JSF vs Struts:
http://www.jroller.com/page/dgeary?entry=top_ten_reasons_to_prefer
JSF was originally modeled after ASP.NET WebForms.

The Java Champions have been asked to provide feedback on what Sun/Java/JCP
should be doing for Web 2.0 and AJAX.
The obvious answer is to make it incredibly easy to implement in JSF
components/widgets, so easy that the end-developer (the person assembly
his/her custom web form) isn't even aware that there are partial async
requests happening to keep the scrollbars on his/her datagrid working well.
I've personally spent the last 2 years working on ASP.NET applications with
a little bit of Struts on Websphere on a parttime basis. I've not tried to
build a product based on JSF.

What are your thoughts on this matter?

What is out of scope for this discussion? Struts, unless it is simply
talking about a really cool feature of Struts that should be available in
JSF (and I think Tiles have already been integrated into MyFaces).

Burr