[ajug-members] Maven 2 [was: favorite IDE]

Fri Aug 11 22:03:09 EDT 2006

Hi,

I have been using Maven2 for almost a year now and I love it - At the 
beginning it was still quite volatile (Plug-ins were buggy and features 
missing etc.) but it improved substantially since last year. Also, now that 
Callisto/Eclipse 3.2/WTP 1.5 is out, I can just create my Eclipse web 
projects with 'mvn eclipse:eclipse' and I am ready to code immediately 
(Including hot deployment to Tomcat etc.). Plus, generating all kinds of 
reports (+ project website) is simply a breeze with Maven2.

Just my 2 cents -

Regards,

Gunnar Hillert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Mitchell" <jmitchell at apache.org>
To: "General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)" 
<ajug-members at ajug.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE

> Who me?  Talk badly about my beloved Maven?  Ha!
>
> Sure, Maven has a few hickups, however, when you look deeper into the 
> architecture, you'll see that much like Eclipse, Maven is a *very*  small 
> core and is mostly composed of that core + a crap-load of  plugins. 
> Plugins that contribute to and extend other plugins.  I  have created my 
> own plugin and extended another, which makes it  *very* easy to work with. 
> So it is more likely that anyone who  bitches about some Maven 
> "undocumented feature", they are really just  having an issue with a 
> particular plugin, and sometimes only a  certain version of it.
>
> For example, the maven-eclipse-plugin that let's you generate  the 
> .project and .classpath did not (at the time) have the ability to  add the 
> excludes attribute on the src tag in the .classpath file.   This means, 
> when you use CVS or SVN or any other version control tool  that keep meta 
> files locally, Eclipse will see those files and report  duplicates to you 
> (in the "Problems" window).
>
> At this point, you can either add the exclusion manually within  Eclipse, 
> or add it manually with a text editor.  Either way, the next  time you 
> generate the config, it will blow away your custom  settings.  This, IMHO, 
> was a bit short-sighted and so I decided to  fix the problem and donate it 
> back to the project in the form of a  patch.  I created a patch and a test 
> to verify it and added a Jira  ticket for it.
>
>  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MECLIPSE-104
>
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> 678.910.8017
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Howard Kapustein wrote:
>
>> Ok, macen's got good spots.
>> What's the downsides?
>>
>> Come on. "all tools suck, they just suck differently." so what's  maven's 
>> drawbacks?
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld. Please excuse any  egregious 
>> typos.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org <ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org>
>> To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month) <ajug- 
>> members at ajug.org>
>> Sent: Fri Aug 11 07:43:01 2006
>> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
>>
>> Ya, and that's another great things about Maven.  You can generate an
>> Ant build file based off of your current Maven build (pom.xml) for
>> your developers/users/customers who don't have Maven.  As your
>> project grows and matures, you can regenerate anything again at any
>> time (Eclipse configs, Ant build scripts, etc, etc).
>>
>> Oh!  And don't *even* get me started on Archetypes,  you'll be
>> drooling after 2 minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James Mitchell
>> 678.910.8017
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Justin Meads wrote:
>>
>> > We don't use Eclipse for our build process (only development).  We
>> > use CruiseControl to keep us honest and our production builds are
>> > performed on Unix with Ant (which recursively calls make to build
>> > the C++ portion of the app).
>> >
>> > -Justin
>> >
>> > On Aug 10, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Howard Kapustein wrote:
>> >
>> >>> With Maven 2, you simply tell it you want Hibernate and what
>> version
>> >> and
>> >>> it will get and use *that* Hibernate versions dependencies
>> >> THAT is what I'm looking for.
>> >>
>> >> I want - need - to specify what my project uses, what versions are
>> >> used,
>> >> and ensure "the right thing happens" e.g. given environment
>> variables
>> >> (or the like)
>> >>
>> >> HIBERNATE_DIR=c:\hibernate
>> >> HIBERNATE_VER=3.0.3
>> >>
>> >> where ***these are not 'owned' by Eclipse***. Jamming those in a
>> >> trivial
>> >> .batch file or .shell script and feeding them to various tools is a
>> >> necessity. For those of us who <gasp> use more than just Eclipse
>> >> in our
>> >> build process (interactively as well as automated).
>> >>
>> >> When I jam versions and paths into Eclipse (be it .classpath or
>> >> workspace property files) I lose that flexibility and control.
>> >>
>> >> For those of you who have no qualms living, breathing and ONLY
>> using
>> >> Eclipse as the 'parent' master process, more power to you. But I
>> >> think
>> >> you've misspelled emacs.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Maven 2 sounds interesting.
>> >>
>> >>      - Howard
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
>> >> [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of James Mitchell
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:29 PM
>> >> To: Users Group Atlanta Java
>> >> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
>> >>
>> >> I was replying and realized this might make a good blog, so...
>> >>
>> >>   http://jamesmitchell.us/space/start/2006-08-10/1#Eclipse_gripes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> James Mitchell
>> >> 678.910.8017
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 10, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Dan Marchant wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> That is a good tip for the source control settings.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8/10/06, Justin Meads <justin at holabola.com> wrote:
>> >>>> We add our .project and .classpath files to version control.
>> >>>> When we
>> >>>> pull the project from SVN, it just works.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can also export/import all of your Eclipse preferences
>> which is
>> >>>> nice.  In Eclipse choose
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   FIle -> Export -> General -> Preferences -> Check Export All ->
>> >>>> Click Finish
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Reverse the process to import into a new workspace.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards, Justin
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Aug 10, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Dan Marchant wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have found that in most cases eclipse recognizes the project
>> >>>> source
>> >>>>> files with creating a new project and pointing it to an existing
>> >>>> root
>> >>>>> folder.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am a bit annoyed with the project concept since in most cases
>> >>>> people
>> >>>>> work on a "product" not a project. Project are usually instances
>> >>>> of a
>> >>>>> product.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The other thing that annoys me about eclipse (which has work
>> >>>> arounds)
>> >>>>> is when creating a new workspace you have to reset all your
>> source
>> >>>>> control settings. For instance, I use the workspace as a way to
>> >>>> have
>> >>>>> multiple branches setup at a time. I usually copy the metadata
>> >>>>> directory and it helps a bit.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In general, IDEs need better support for branches and release
>> on a
>> >>>>> product line.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My 2 cents and vents
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> - Dan
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 8/10/06, Burr Sutter <burr.sutter at jboss.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> You might be right.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Every development team has a unique project/folder/build
>> >>>>>> structure
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> pull that into an IDE takes too much effort in some cases.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Eclipse's import project from Ant trick has failed me before.
>> >>>>>> What has
>> >>>>>> been the rest of your collective experiences?  Perhaps Netbeans
>> >>>>>> performs
>> >>>>>> better this case.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Burr
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
>> >>>>>> [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Kammy
>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:43 AM
>> >>>>>> To: ajug-members at ajug.org
>> >>>>>> Subject: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I guess I am a dinosaur. I use xemacs and vi.  I tried
>> >>>>>> using eclipse 1 X, but didn't like the whole project
>> >>>>>> thing, etc, which I can't stand about IDE's anyway.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Kammy
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