[ajug-members] Maven 2 [was: favorite IDE]

Fri Aug 11 14:18:50 EDT 2006

I work as a very remote user to our home office in the UK and they have
recent implemented a Maven 2 setup with Continuum for continuous builds.  As
a novice OO programmer I love new tools and will be spending some time
reading a Free PDF book they pointed me too "Better Builds with Maven,
How-to Guide for Maven 2.0" . Might be worth checking out to others looking
to start out with Maven... I'll let you know ;}.

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Cliff Archibald
Sr. Systems Engineer
Atlanta Engineering Manager
carchibald at ad-holdingsinc.com
www.ad-holdings.co.uk

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-----Original Message-----
From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of James Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:51 PM
To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Maven 2 [was: favorite IDE]

I figured if I'm gonna write I might as well blog too :)

  http://jamesmitchell.us/space/start/2006-08-11/1#Maven_- 
_A_new_paradigm

--
James Mitchell
678.910.8017

P.S.  If anyone needs help migrating to Maven, I would be happy to  
lend a hand

On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Björn Gustafsson wrote:

> To me the biggest drawback with Maven 2 is the implicitness of the
> targets.  In Ant your build.xml tells you what you can do with the
> project.  By contrast all the Maven POM file tells you are
> dependencies.  The "targets" are all defined by Maven's conventions,
> and possibly by plugins that you or others supply.
>
> IDEs can help out with this by providing a list of the available
> options for running maven, but at least when you first start using it
> that's not terribly helpful either, as there may be dozens or hundreds
> of them.  Some of them may have unexpected consequences, too, which
> can be difficult to discover without trying them.
>
> The upside of this approach is that once you get used to Maven's
> conventions, you can go to just about any maven project and know how
> to build it.
>
> On 8/11/06, Howard Kapustein <hkapustein at manh.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, maven's got good spots.
>>  What's the downsides?
>>
>>  Come on. "all tools suck, they just suck differently." so what's  
>> maven's
>> drawbacks?
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org <ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org>
>>  To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
>> <ajug-members at ajug.org>
>>  Sent: Fri Aug 11 07:43:01 2006
>>  Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
>>
>>  Ya, and that's another great things about Maven.  You can  
>> generate an
>>  Ant build file based off of your current Maven build (pom.xml) for
>>  your developers/users/customers who don't have Maven.  As your
>>  project grows and matures, you can regenerate anything again at any
>>  time (Eclipse configs, Ant build scripts, etc, etc).
>>
>>  Oh!  And don't *even* get me started on Archetypes,  you'll be
>>  drooling after 2 minutes.
>>
>>  --
>>  James Mitchell
>>  678.910.8017
>>
>>  On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Justin Meads wrote:
>>
>>  > We don't use Eclipse for our build process (only development).  We
>>  > use CruiseControl to keep us honest and our production builds are
>>  > performed on Unix with Ant (which recursively calls make to build
>>  > the C++ portion of the app).
>>  >
>>  > -Justin
>>  >
>>  > On Aug 10, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Howard Kapustein wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>> With Maven 2, you simply tell it you want Hibernate and what  
>> version
>>  >> and
>>  >>> it will get and use *that* Hibernate versions dependencies
>>  >> THAT is what I'm looking for.
>>  >>
>>  >> I want - need - to specify what my project uses, what versions  
>> are
>>  >> used,
>>  >> and ensure "the right thing happens" e.g. given environment  
>> variables
>>  >> (or the like)
>>  >>
>>  >> HIBERNATE_DIR=c:\hibernate
>>  >> HIBERNATE_VER=3.0.3
>>  >>
>>  >> where ***these are not 'owned' by Eclipse***. Jamming those in a
>>  >> trivial
>>  >> .batch file or .shell script and feeding them to various tools  
>> is a
>>  >> necessity. For those of us who <gasp> use more than just Eclipse
>>  >> in our
>>  >> build process (interactively as well as automated).
>>  >>
>>  >> When I jam versions and paths into Eclipse (be it .classpath or
>>  >> workspace property files) I lose that flexibility and control.
>>  >>
>>  >> For those of you who have no qualms living, breathing and ONLY  
>> using
>>  >> Eclipse as the 'parent' master process, more power to you. But I
>>  >> think
>>  >> you've misspelled emacs.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> Maven 2 sounds interesting.
>>  >>
>>  >>      - Howard
>>  >>
>>  >> -----Original Message-----
>>  >> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
>>  >> [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of
>> James Mitchell
>>  >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:29 PM
>>  >> To: Users Group Atlanta Java
>>  >> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
>>  >>
>>  >> I was replying and realized this might make a good blog, so...
>>  >>
>>  >> http://jamesmitchell.us/space/start/2006-08-10/1#Eclipse_gripes
>>  >>
>>  >> --
>>  >> James Mitchell
>>  >> 678.910.8017
>
> -- 
> Björn Gustafsson
>
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