[ajug-members] favorite IDE

Jason Vinson vinson.lists at charter.net
Fri Aug 11 12:46:19 EDT 2006 

Side note: this is for maven 1.x, maven 2 does not use jelly files and we
haven't migrated yet at work.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of Jason Vinson
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 PM
To: 'General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)'
Subject: RE: [ajug-members] favorite IDE

Just to add to this for people other than James, in your
$USER_HOME/.maven/cache there are jelly scripts that show what plugins do.
So if it doesn't work as expected, you have the "source code" to look at,
which essentially boils down to ant type tasks grouped in maven goals.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org]
On Behalf Of James Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:34 AM
To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE

Who me?  Talk badly about my beloved Maven?  Ha!

Sure, Maven has a few hickups, however, when you look deeper into the  
architecture, you'll see that much like Eclipse, Maven is a *very*  
small core and is mostly composed of that core + a crap-load of  
plugins.  Plugins that contribute to and extend other plugins.  I  
have created my own plugin and extended another, which makes it  
*very* easy to work with.  So it is more likely that anyone who  
bitches about some Maven "undocumented feature", they are really just  
having an issue with a particular plugin, and sometimes only a  
certain version of it.

For example, the maven-eclipse-plugin that let's you generate  
the .project and .classpath did not (at the time) have the ability to  
add the excludes attribute on the src tag in the .classpath file.   
This means, when you use CVS or SVN or any other version control tool  
that keep meta files locally, Eclipse will see those files and report  
duplicates to you (in the "Problems" window).

At this point, you can either add the exclusion manually within  
Eclipse, or add it manually with a text editor.  Either way, the next  
time you generate the config, it will blow away your custom  
settings.  This, IMHO, was a bit short-sighted and so I decided to  
fix the problem and donate it back to the project in the form of a  
patch.  I created a patch and a test to verify it and added a Jira  
ticket for it.

  http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MECLIPSE-104



--
James Mitchell
678.910.8017




On Aug 11, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Howard Kapustein wrote:

> Ok, macen's got good spots.
> What's the downsides?
>
> Come on. "all tools suck, they just suck differently." so what's  
> maven's drawbacks?
> --------------------------
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> egregious typos.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org <ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org>
> To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month) <ajug- 
> members at ajug.org>
> Sent: Fri Aug 11 07:43:01 2006
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
>
> Ya, and that's another great things about Maven.  You can generate an
> Ant build file based off of your current Maven build (pom.xml) for
> your developers/users/customers who don't have Maven.  As your
> project grows and matures, you can regenerate anything again at any
> time (Eclipse configs, Ant build scripts, etc, etc).
>
> Oh!  And don't *even* get me started on Archetypes,  you'll be
> drooling after 2 minutes.
>
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> 678.910.8017
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Justin Meads wrote:
>
> > We don't use Eclipse for our build process (only development).  We
> > use CruiseControl to keep us honest and our production builds are
> > performed on Unix with Ant (which recursively calls make to build
> > the C++ portion of the app).
> >
> > -Justin
> >
> > On Aug 10, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Howard Kapustein wrote:
> >
> >>> With Maven 2, you simply tell it you want Hibernate and what  
> version
> >> and
> >>> it will get and use *that* Hibernate versions dependencies
> >> THAT is what I'm looking for.
> >>
> >> I want - need - to specify what my project uses, what versions are
> >> used,
> >> and ensure "the right thing happens" e.g. given environment  
> variables
> >> (or the like)
> >>
> >> HIBERNATE_DIR=c:\hibernate
> >> HIBERNATE_VER=3.0.3
> >>
> >> where ***these are not 'owned' by Eclipse***. Jamming those in a
> >> trivial
> >> .batch file or .shell script and feeding them to various tools is a
> >> necessity. For those of us who <gasp> use more than just Eclipse
> >> in our
> >> build process (interactively as well as automated).
> >>
> >> When I jam versions and paths into Eclipse (be it .classpath or
> >> workspace property files) I lose that flexibility and control.
> >>
> >> For those of you who have no qualms living, breathing and ONLY  
> using
> >> Eclipse as the 'parent' master process, more power to you. But I
> >> think
> >> you've misspelled emacs.
> >>
> >>
> >> Maven 2 sounds interesting.
> >>
> >>      - Howard
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
> >> [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of James Mitchell
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:29 PM
> >> To: Users Group Atlanta Java
> >> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
> >>
> >> I was replying and realized this might make a good blog, so...
> >>
> >>   http://jamesmitchell.us/space/start/2006-08-10/1#Eclipse_gripes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> James Mitchell
> >> 678.910.8017
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 10, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Dan Marchant wrote:
> >>
> >>> That is a good tip for the source control settings.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 8/10/06, Justin Meads <justin at holabola.com> wrote:
> >>>> We add our .project and .classpath files to version control.
> >>>> When we
> >>>> pull the project from SVN, it just works.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can also export/import all of your Eclipse preferences  
> which is
> >>>> nice.  In Eclipse choose
> >>>>
> >>>>   FIle -> Export -> General -> Preferences -> Check Export All ->
> >>>> Click Finish
> >>>>
> >>>> Reverse the process to import into a new workspace.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards, Justin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 10, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Dan Marchant wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have found that in most cases eclipse recognizes the project
> >>>> source
> >>>>> files with creating a new project and pointing it to an existing
> >>>> root
> >>>>> folder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am a bit annoyed with the project concept since in most cases
> >>>> people
> >>>>> work on a "product" not a project. Project are usually instances
> >>>> of a
> >>>>> product.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other thing that annoys me about eclipse (which has work
> >>>> arounds)
> >>>>> is when creating a new workspace you have to reset all your  
> source
> >>>>> control settings. For instance, I use the workspace as a way to
> >>>> have
> >>>>> multiple branches setup at a time. I usually copy the metadata
> >>>>> directory and it helps a bit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In general, IDEs need better support for branches and release  
> on a
> >>>>> product line.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My 2 cents and vents
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Dan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/10/06, Burr Sutter <burr.sutter at jboss.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> You might be right.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Every development team has a unique project/folder/build
> >>>>>> structure
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> pull that into an IDE takes too much effort in some cases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Eclipse's import project from Ant trick has failed me before.
> >>>>>> What has
> >>>>>> been the rest of your collective experiences?  Perhaps Netbeans
> >>>>>> performs
> >>>>>> better this case.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Burr
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
> >>>>>> [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Kammy
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:43 AM
> >>>>>> To: ajug-members at ajug.org
> >>>>>> Subject: [ajug-members] favorite IDE
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I guess I am a dinosaur. I use xemacs and vi.  I tried
> >>>>>> using eclipse 1 X, but didn't like the whole project
> >>>>>> thing, etc, which I can't stand about IDE's anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kammy
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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