[ajug-members] Your favorite IDE

Thu Aug 3 11:49:57 EDT 2006

NetBeans 4.x wasn't bad. I've done a few small Swing UIs with it. But
you had to know a lot more about Swing methods than you should have.
Anyone who's used it plus Visual Basic would recognize the difference.
VB had its flaws, but the 'paint the screen' form builder, the property
list and the event selector (i.e. list all available events, pick one
and pop to its code, or pop to its newly inserted skeleton) worked
together quite well. The whole greater than the sum of its parts
synergy. Edit-and-continue was also incredibly helpful, but purely from
a 'UI designer' perspective VB managed to hit the right notes when it
came to exposing the right functionality without overly (or underly)
complicating the developer experience.

I've heard good things about Matisse and 4.x seemed heading in the right
direction, so I have hopes for 5.0. Hence the reason I've had the CD
sitting on my desk the past 3 weeks, to remind myself I need to play
with it 'soon'...

            - Howard

P.S. Python + wxPython seem like a possible solution, upside the the
'edit-and-continue' behavior's a natural given Python's nature, but I've
yet to find a form builder worth a damn for that combo.

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From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
[mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Carr Harriman
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Your favorite IDE

Howard, you asked about the UI development in NetBeans 5.0...well, I
haven't done any Swing since college (about 7 years), so needless to say
I had hardly a clue about what I was doing.  However, I was able to
build a pointless app which renames all the files in a directory against
an input file in about an hour.  Looks very nice, incredibly simple.  I
don't have much UI experience in general, especially with other IDEs so
I don't quite know how it stacks up, but seemed very good to me.
Definitely check it out. 

On 8/3/06, Howard Kapustein <hkapustein at manh.com> wrote: 

NetBeans does it for C++ and SQL and Python and shell script and...?

Not all of us live in a 100% Pure Java world. 

       - Howard

-----Original Message-----
From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
[mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org ] On Behalf Of Gang Wang
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Your favorite IDE

NetBeans does it too.  I use NetBeans, and love it since moved to 5.0.

On 8/3/06, Howard Kapustein <hkapustein at manh.com> wrote:
> ConTEXT is great if you ever do code reviews.
> Only tool I've found which prints source code well -- line numbers 
plus
> proper fonting (comments in italics, keywords in bold). Works great
when
> you need a bunch of folks around the room referencing the same thing.
>
>         - Howard
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org
> [mailto:ajug-members-bounces at ajug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Marchant
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:12 AM
> To: General AJUG membership forum (100-200 messages/month)
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Your favorite IDE
>
> 1. Eclipse (with various plugins, DBExplorer, etc...) 
>     (Tried MyEclipse a bit bulky)
> 2. Context - quick and dirty edits on windows, nice format
> translations from dos to unix
> 3. VI - quick and dirty edits on linux and unix flavors
>
> I have pretty much used the whole gamet at one time or another and
> here is my feedback:
>    - IDEA - nice features for templates and various code hinting, it
> doesn't support really large projects broken across modules as well as

> eclipse in my opinion. The incremental compile is a bit clunky.
>   - JBuilder - was ok a while ago it's features have been passed by
> eclipse and others. It did have one of the best supporting frameworks 
> for debugging application servers pre-eclipse
>   - Visual Age for Java - Ok it isn't made anymore, but the UI had an
> interesting approach of compilation units you can browse around and
> everything could be browsed as reusable components. This was sometimes

> annoying but the better features of the local repository, etc... are
> now in eclipse.
>   - TogetherJ - was a bit bloaty some recent changes to the eclipse
> framework are making it faster. I liked the roundtrip features a lot 
> can't beat them with any other editor.
>   - Netbeans - well I think SUN should really kill this project. It
> could have been an eclipse type framework but they bloated it up and
> had some developers working on it that didn't know anything about 
> performance and object creation. Has a clunky interface... I do hear
> it is getting faster now could be related to Java 1.5's swing
> improvements though.
>
> One thing that is getting to me though is how large all the IDEs are 
> getting. This is quite annoying for anyone that just wants to code,
> build and test. Some of the additions are ok, but half the time not
> used.
>
> An interesting followup questions to the group would be: 
> 1.  What features do you use in the IDE of choice?
> 2.  What profiler do you use?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Marchant
> On 8/2/06, Burr Sutter < burrsutter at gmail.com
<mailto:burrsutter at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > Hey Folks,
> >
> > I'm just curious about what your favorite IDE is.  Just an informal
> > quick survey on what tools you are using to build Java based 
> > applications.
> >
> > a) Eclipse (where you've pulled in all the plug-ins you want)
> > b) MyEclipse
> > c) Exadel
> > d) Netbeans
> > e) Text Editor (vi, emacs, ultraedit, jedit, etc) 
> > f) IBM WSAD/RAD
> > g) BEA Workshop
> > h) Other
> >
> >
> > Burr
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