[ajug-members] Entry Level Java Jobs

[Jack J. Coleman]

I disagree with your statements about web and persistence frameworks. 
Just because there is a new, and in your mind "better" technology that 
surfaces, does not mean that the entire Java world should abandon the 
basics. I work on a number of projects that do not use the frameworks 
you mention. I guess there is a problem with me then. Using a framework 
just for the sake of using it is not reason enough. Frameworks add a 
level of complexity that vanilla JSP/Servlets and JDBC do not have. 
Especially on smaller projects, I see no reason for using a framework 
(other than "oh that is a cool thing to have on my resume, so I'd better 
try it out"). Even on older, larger "legacy" Java projects that are 
working fine with JSP and JDBC, there is no business justification (in 
my opinion) on spending the time and money to "upgrade" to one of these 
frameworks.

You are right, however, that the bane of Java is the ever increasing 
number of libraries, API's, specs, etc.

Jack


Brian Lee wrote:

> Struts (or some other major web framework) is required for web apps 
> nowadays. If you're still writing apps in JSP/Servlet there must be 
> some pretty major reason you aren't using 
> Struts/Cocoon/Spring/WebWork/etc.
>
> I also think the same goes for JDBC, if you're writing straight JDBC 
> instead of using Hibernate/iBATIS/BC4J/JDO or even EJB without some 
> serious consideration then there's probably some problem with the 
> architects at your site.
>
> Also, 2 years ago although EJB wasn't required, if you didn't know 
> when and where to use EJB then my clients wouldn't have hired you. EJB 
> isn't the end all be all, but it has purposes and a good 
> developer/architect needs to know when and how to use them.
>
> The tough part about Java seems to be it's constant evolution and new 
> OS libraries coming online. It's a full time job to keep up with new 
> stuff and expect to be master some new Java/J2EE tech every 1-3 years.
>
> I for one welcome our new JSF overlords :)
>
> BAL
>