[ajug-members] Entry Level Java Jobs
brian_a_lee at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 23 09:08:05 EDT 2004
Struts (or some other major web framework) is required for web apps
nowadays. If you're still writing apps in JSP/Servlet there must be some
pretty major reason you aren't using Struts/Cocoon/Spring/WebWork/etc.
I also think the same goes for JDBC, if you're writing straight JDBC instead
of using Hibernate/iBATIS/BC4J/JDO or even EJB without some serious
consideration then there's probably some problem with the architects at your
Also, 2 years ago although EJB wasn't required, if you didn't know when and
where to use EJB then my clients wouldn't have hired you. EJB isn't the end
all be all, but it has purposes and a good developer/architect needs to know
when and how to use them.
The tough part about Java seems to be it's constant evolution and new OS
libraries coming online. It's a full time job to keep up with new stuff and
expect to be master some new Java/J2EE tech every 1-3 years.
I for one welcome our new JSF overlords :)
>From: Rob Rutherford <rrutherford at dglenn.com>
>To: "General AJUG membership forum (100-200
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>Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Entry Level Java Jobs
>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:00:28 -0400
>Are Struts the new buzzword? (like EJB was a couple of years ago?)
>2 years ago when I was looking for work, I had JSP, Servlets, JDBC, and
>RMI. But it seemed everybody wanted EJBs, even for positions where I
>knew the framework vendor didn't use EJBs. It was almost like J2EE==EJB.
>Are more people, recruiters requiring Struts than are actually using
>it? Are there recuiters now thinking Struts==jsp/servlets?
>Berlin Brown wrote:
>>I have gone through a lot of this stuff, (I could be wrong), but saying
>>know 'java' or 'C#' is 'ok' but knowing what industries are doing with
>>specific things, frameworks will really get you ahead. I actually got to
>>look at some resumes for a position for projects with our team and
>>had 'java', the DBA I work with has java and C++ on his resume and he
>>even know it(he did take a class). The point, find out what companies
>>enterprise software are doing, for example JDBC(low-level),
>>Hibernate(higher-level), learn J2EE or at least get familiar with them,
>>you know more than just java or more than just the language. And Struts
>>a big resume bullet, I havent seen too many web or J2EE jobs that dont
>>Struts somewhere in the description.
>>I am not an expert at this, but that is what people tell me, so I am just
>>passing it along to you.
>>And on .NET, I know nothing about it, sorry, I dont think you will lose
>>much with spending most your time with java(but I could be wrong).
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <jimsbuddog at juno.com>
>>To: <ajug-members at ajug.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:03 PM
>>Subject: [ajug-members] Entry Level Java Jobs
>>>Dear AJUG Members:
>>> The day has finally come. I've finished and now have my Associates
>>Degree in Computer Programming (with a 3.84+ average). I majored in Java,
>>> I now need a job. Does anybody know of any companies hiring entry
>>level positions for Java, etc? I've got 20+ years programming in Cobol
>>behind me, with all the extras (design, testing, etc), so I'm not really a
>>> Thanks for any help you can give me. I know recruiters don't handle
>>entry level jobs, so this is one way that might work toward me getting a
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