Re: [ajug-members]: Eclipse performance on linux... (A poll maybe?)

[Collin <collin@gluedtomyseat.com>]

Hey :)

I've been trying for a while to get a good Java IDE under OSX -- I 
tried XCode, but it's just not as powerful as some of the more free 
tools out there, such as Eclipse.

I tried Eclipse 2 under OSX -- unbearable.  Then I tried M7, and it was 
better, but M8 has been the best of all thus far.  Performance wise, it 
seems to be in line with M7, but the usability is way up.  If you have 
not tried M8 yet, I highly recommend that you do (although I'm not sure 
if they have M8 available for the Linux platform).

I am new to this list, but let me somewhat introduce myself. I'm the 
CTO/Lead Programmer for Hannon Hill, which produces an enterprise 
content management tool 
(http://www.hannonhill.com/solutions/contentxml/index.html) that runs 
on top of JBoss (currently 3.2.3).

So if you have any questions about JBoss, please don't hesitate to ask 
me.  I have bought the basic documentation ($10 PDF I believe), but 
have learned a great deal about JBoss just from reading the forums 
every day on jboss.org.

Good luck, and I look forward to the next AJUG meeting.

Collin

On Apr 7, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Andy wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Here's an update!
>
> After a lot of coaxing, I got my Admin to rip a copy of all the Eclipse
> linux ports(2.1.2 release and 3.0M7 stable) and an IBM jre for myself. 
> And
> since then, things are looking great! I am not having any of the 
> glitches
> I mentioned below. Though the responsiveness is just about bearable.
>
> Also, a weird problem when I was not able to run any debug sessions.
> Got this error:
> FATAL ERROR in native method: No transports initialized
>
> It seemed, it was not able to resolve the gethostbyname() call which I
> resolved by adding a hard IP entry in /etc/hosts. Working fine since 
> then.
>
> Currently, running 3.0M7, with IBM jre141. Also, have got this great 
> plugin
> Lomboz (http://www.objectlearn.com/index.jsp) going. The next target 
> is to
> setup and get acquainted with the JBoss application server...
>
> Well, after reading unbelievable statement made by the folks at Sun and
> Microsoft, I wonder if these are just the beginnings of things to 
> come...
> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-5184793.html
>
> : Andy
>
> On Tuesday 09 March 2004 02:50 am, Andy wrote:
>> (Note this is my observation... and may not necessarily be true in 
>> general)
>>
>> This may not sound very good, but I am yet to see/hear people running
>> Eclipse without any kind of trouble on their linux boxes...  (No setup
>> probs, no runtime glitches, glitches because of the linux distro etc, 
>> etc.
>> The kind of Eclipse usage I am looking at is, Eclipse being used as 
>> the
>> primary tool (IDE) for an enterprise level project/app development 
>> with p/f
>> linux)
>>
>> I have been an IDEA user for almost 3 years now and recently (2 months
>> back) shifted to Eclipse(An aftermath of a career move from my good 
>> old
>> co.) This migration has been really neat and anyways Eclipse was the 
>> but
>> natural choice. My dev p/f at work is win2k and eclipse runs fine 
>> (Though
>> the official IDE used is JBuilder 7 and surprisingly I am the only one
>> using Eclipse out here (comments on JBuilder left alone).
>>
>> Come home, running Eclipse212 on a P4 1.7 GHz, 640 MB RAM machine, 
>> with
>> MDK9.1 and KDE3.1, its ouch. The performance is really not up-to the 
>> mark
>> and I wonder at the claims of speedy and responsive GUI, la SWT. 
>> Well, I am
>> not trying to flame NOR rekindle the Swing or SWT, Swing vs SWT 
>> debate...
>> but this is as I see it. And for people who wanna see a REAL swing
>> application rock on either win/lin platforms, try IntelliJ IDEA and 
>> then
>> tell me at least one application even matching it in terms of 
>> performance,
>> responsiveness back to back on both platforms (Well, this besides all 
>> the
>> FANTASTIC features of IDEA).
>>
>> I have been fighting these crashes, errors in the native methods, 
>> throwing
>> unexpected exceptions further crashes, unbelievable scenarios such as
>> problems within the gtk galaxy theme... its further patches for fix...
>> shh... And all this with compatible VMs and commandline options. And 
>> wo ho
>> guys, try a remote debug thingy with say the WLS server VM... Never 
>> ever
>> have I seen my swap space being utilized to this extent... Further 
>> more I
>> hate to run a GTK application in KDE...
>>
>> I know professionally one cannot dictate the development p/f, but 
>> given a
>> choice, I wouldn't be surprised if majority choose linux. If I am not
>> wrong, some linux distros even carry Eclipse...
>>
>> I have been a linux enthusiast and have tried to push java in such 
>> forums.
>> I do believe that linux and java make a great combination. But these 
>> forums
>> are pro linux and one of the worst bashing I got once was like:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> ...
>>> I do not like java. I do not like trading hardware platform for a 
>>> software
>>> platform namely JVM.
>>> ...
>>
>> </snip>
>>
>> Not to forget the JRE incompatibilities... This goes off topic...
>>
>> So, all in all, a thumbs up for Eclipse, but a thumbs down for Eclipse
>> running on linux...
>>
>> : Andy
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