Re: Certification value (was Bitwise operators)

[steve k <stevehkang3@yahoo.com>]

Better to understand why the certification "might be"
important. 

http://www.javaranch.com/newsletter/Mar2002/newslettermar2002.jsp#cert


--- "Scott P. Smith" <ssmith@scott-smith.com> wrote:
> I never said it was easy to pass all the various
> certifications tests.  I
> did not mean to imply that.  I probably wouldn't
> pass any one of them today.
> I would have to prepare for it a few weeks.  If I
> passed, does it make me a
> better software engineer?
> 
> I was commenting on the coloration between on the
> job performance and being
> certified.
> 
> Has the correlation ever been experimentally
> measured?  A test is not valid
> unless it is objectively correlated with the
> criteria it is attempting to
> measure.  We take SATs to enter collage because the
> score on the SAT
> correlates highly with performance in collage.  (Of
> course it's not
> perfect.)
> 
> What you are tested for when you take the SCJP is
> performance on the SCJP.
> Extrapolating that to above average work performance
> is not necessarily
> valid.  Maybe it is.  I have a subjective opinion
> that I can't back up with
> proof.  Unless it's backed up be evidence, It's a
> matter of faith.  Either
> you believe in it or you don't.  Maybe there is
> proof.  But don't quote a
> study paid for by Sun.  They are not objective.  Is
> Gosling certified?  I
> have no idea.  If he is, did he actually sit down
> and take the tests.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt Smith" <chsmith@speakeasy.net>
> To: <ajug-members@www.ajug.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Certification value (was Bitwise
> operators)
> 
> 
> > My incompetence at subtle sarcasm in my post below
> caused at least a few
> > folks to misunderstand that I was actually
> attempting (poorly) to advocate
> > certification.   SCJP though would not be my
> suggested end point, rather
> > SCWCD plus SCEA.   After passing both and many
> others, I found the
> > design of SCWCD to be an excellent test of ones
> knowledge of JSP, Servlet,
> > taglib, web.xml etc.  Modern trick question design
> of multiple choice
> _can_
> > be tough and rigorous.  Take the SCWCD if you
> think it's so easy and of no
> > value.  :)
> >
> > Appologies,  curt
> >
> > Curt Smith wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >>> I will probably offend many people by saying
> this, but I place no
> > >>> value in
> > >>> being certified.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > I agree regarding SCJP.   Referring to beyond
> SCJP, analogously I'm
> > > glad the
> > > American Medical Assoc. doesn't feel that
> getting a BS in biology is
> > > sufficient
> > > to be an effective brain surgeon, there is also
> more to learn and is
> > > of essential
> > > value including and even beyond SCWCD, SCEA, IBM
> XML , , ,
> > >
> > > curt
> > >
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Curt Smith
> > chsmith@speakeasy.net
> > (h) 404-294-6686
> > (w) 404-463-0973
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


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