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From: Jason R. Kretzer [mailto:jason@OpinionOne.com]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Certification
I have to disagree with this mentality. You make it sound like people
without the time to learn on their own are not worth hiring. I have a
wife and a new child. Personally, I have the "desire to learn" but not
the "time" to learn. I learn new technologies at work. Since work is
what the new skills are for, I see no problem in this. The idea that
"we only want people who will not only put in the 9 to 5 but will work
for the company on their own time as well.", is not the right way to
judge candidates. I have a great desire for knowledge and extending my
skills and I must take issue with anyone who says that I don't show
initiative(or have good programming skills) because I won't use my
family time for studying for a piece of paper that says I knew how to
memorize a book for a day. A good worker in any profession is one who
shows integrity, honesty, a good work ethic, and is willing to forth
their best while at work.
Sorry for the rant but I hate it when someone judges those without the
time to do stuff on their own time as somehow being lazy(not showing
Curt Smith wrote:
>> Think about the "desire to learn" part. I would prefer to hire someone
>> who has a constant fire in their person to learn new technologies in
>> their spare time than someone that does just the 8-5 bit.
> Dead on. Too bad, but gone are the days of being a C programmer day
> in and day out. I judge the a candidate on the desire to learn
> on their own time and initiative with questions like; what books
> have you read lately. And by how _many_ certifications they have.
> Some folks might be surprised there's a few more java and OO oriented
> certs besides SCJP. :) Personally I need the carrot to get me through
> all the books and study, so collecting certs is one of my hobbies. ;-(
> My credit card shows alot of good books have been bought, read and
> an immediate good use put that info (more credit card hits for the
> cert tests) and more tears.
> I've found it to be almost as expensive as going to GA state. Isn't
> our industry forcing us through this type of re-education pratically
> another degree every 2-3 years just to stay current? BTW, the
> JDJ mag / web site has a few comments about current state of complexity
> and API breadth needed to be _called_ competent. Hmmm.
> For example, EJB / JMS is pase, now it's UDDI, WSDL, doc. centric etc.
> Best of luck to all,