RE: Case Tools

["Nedim Colic" <nedim@yahoo.com>]

In the spirit of the original question, I didn't want to get into "what is the right way to do things" discussion. I strongly believe in model-first approach but like it or not there are people and companies out there that would disagree. It's their right to do so. Round trip is huge help but it's not absolutely necessary. If there is a will your model is going to be in sync with your code. Hard yes, impossible no.

 

One of the (lame) reasons I hear people not model first is high price of good modeling tools. That's why I suggested Visio. It costs order of magnitude less than TogetherJ or, God forbids, Rose :-) and most companies already own a copy. I would recommend TogetherJ every time if it wasn't for it's price.

 

The other good one I hear are all these "agile" methodologies that people misinterpret as "we don't have to design any more". But that's a topic for another discussion.

 

Nedim.

 

P.S.

I'm not employed by any of the mentioned companies ;->

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Dunaway [mailto:ldunaway@togethersoft.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:59 AM
To: ajug-members@www.ajug.org
Cc: Nedim Colic
Subject: Re: Case Tools

Nedim,

First, truth in responding, I'm a mentor for Togethersoft.

Ok, now I must scream loudly  that there are no cases where "round trip is not important"!!!! Even in the case where you are just hacking something for your own use, MODEL-FIRST and NEVER let the model and code diverge!!! From your statement, you accept the first part of my statement "MODEL-FIRST".  PLEASE believe a old-guy who has spent ~ 40 years as a consultant coming in to maintain existing code; to fix a failing project; to extend an existing system; and, far too often, to do post mortems on disasters - the second part of the statement is equally important "NEVER let the model and code diverge!!!" .  Letting this happen WILL result in less robust code, difficulty in support, difficulty in extensions, and (probably) un-employment.

Les

Nedim Colic wrote:

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For some reason, Gentleware's Poseidon is awfully slow! I say for some
reason because TogetherJ, JBuilder, NetBeans... are all written in Swing and
they work just fine.

I use Rose and TogetherJ, but if round trip is not important to you (you
just need to document things) Visio will do great. It has excellent UML
plugin with everything you need.

Nedim.


-----Original Message-----
From: David McReynolds [mailto:David.Mcreynolds@datalex.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:07 AM
To: ajug-members@www.ajug.org
Subject: RE: Case Tools


http://www.gentleware.com

Its written with swing, so beware.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Hardin [mailto:matthew@hardin.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:01 PM
To: ajug-members@www.ajug.org
Subject: Case Tools


Besides TogetherJ, are there any other good case tools for use with Java?
I only need a light weight tool that could do basic class and sequence
diagrams for documentation purposes.

Thanks,
Matthew

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L.W. (Les) Dunaway, Mentor 167 Picketts Crossing Acworth, GA 30101 770-974-4289 Les.Dunaway@TogetherSoft.com
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