Fwd: IDE+VIM=(mmmm....Donuts) [RE: Java recommendations for young students?]

[Michael Fortin <pommele@mindspring.com>]

> I don't care to start an IDE war but a few months back slashdot did an 
> article soliciting opinions of java developers on their favorite IDEs.  
> There was one I never heard of before that some gave high praise called 
> Intellij IDEA.  I've been using it exclusively for two months now and 
> am 100% sold on it.  It has full keyboard navigation and you can define 
> all your own key mappings, plus  lots of other java specific tools to 
> numerous to go into.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 6, 2002, at 03:33 PM, Arafat Mohamed wrote:
>
>> Yes you can compile and run (and debug) code in vim. Go to
>> vim.sourceforge.net and look at all the plugins they have. And while 
>> you're
>> at it, check out some of the tips too.
>>
>> The reason why I would like to use an IDE is because some members of 
>> my team
>> use IDEs like a crutch so they're unwilling to give it up. I on the 
>> other
>> hand refuse to give up the modal editing of vim. So, I figure we can
>> compromise. I find an IDE that has vi(m) keymappings and everyone has 
>> to use
>> it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason R. Kretzer [mailto:jason@OpinionOne.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:02 PM
>> To: Brian Sanders; ajug-members@ajug.org
>> Subject: Re: IDE+VIM=(mmmm....Donuts) [RE: Java recommendations for
>> young students?]
>>
>>
>> Unless there is something in VIM that I don't know about, you cannot 
>> compile
>> and run code from VIM.  You still have to go to a command-line.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Sanders" <bsanders@risklabs.com>
>> To: <ajug-members@ajug.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: IDE+VIM=(mmmm....Donuts) [RE: Java recommendations for 
>> young
>> students?]
>>
>>
>>>> Speaking of IDEs. Anyone know of any IDE that has vim(not visual
>> interdev)
>>>> keymappings? I know neither JBuilder not Jdeveloper have it. Not sure
>>> about
>>>> forte.
>>>
>>> Let me swing this question another way: what features of your IDE do 
>>> you
>>> find lacking in vim?  Here's my short list based off of a comparison 
>>> to
>>> VisualCafe.  However, I can't say that I really use any of these:
>>>
>>> - Visual GUI building
>>> - Automatic generation of EJB deployment descriptors
>>> - Some debugging features
>>>
>>> Just about everything else I've wanted in a Java IDE I've found in 
>>> vim,
>> with
>>> the addition of some publically-available scripts.  Your mileage may 
>>> vary,
>>> however.
>>>
>>> Oh, and one other VisualCafe feature I've not found in vim:
>>>
>>> - Spurious core dumps
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Brian Sanders          Java Developer          Risk Labs, LLC
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>>
>>
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