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RE: Java and the Microsoft VM

The Microsoft VM is for jdk1.1 . Java 1.1, btw, is pretty crummy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Woodson [mailto:radman@usefulware.com]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:09 AM
To: List AJUG
Subject: RE: Java and the Microsoft VM

We are reqruiring a specific version of IE so we would always know which
version the user had.  I need to know where I can find out stuff was
supported by the version that IE uses. (i.e. swing, applications, etc...)

I don't like the idea of being attached to Microsoft either but,  the fact
remains that they made a virtual machine available to everybody.  And
download size is important.  So if I can use it then that will save me somme

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy S. Mitrovich [mailto:tim.mitrovich@spiredex.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:48 AM
> To: Bill Woodson; List AJUG
> Subject: Re: Java and the Microsoft VM
> Bill,
> It is possible so long as you don't use anything that does not
> come with the
> default version of classes.zip included with MS Java.  I would highly
> recommend against this approach however.  When you switch to a
> different vm
> you can run into problems that you may not have encountered during
> development.  The underlying threading implementation can be different,
> sockets can be handled differently, etc.
> Another problem you'll face is that there is a wide range in
> versions of the
> MS VM installed on end users' machines.  Some users (the ones who
> never run
> windows update) will have ancient versions installed while others
> will have
> the newest; and of course there is every flavor in between.  Each of these
> different versions of the vm can behave differently in various situations.
> While it is possible to switch VMs, I'd recommend requiring that your end
> users install the
> JRE.  This way you can test your appliation in the same
> environment as your
> end users and be 100% confident (well 99% confidant... hehehe)
> that it will
> behave/perform the same.  If you do end up going the route of
> switching VMs,
> be sure that whatever bug reporting mechanism you have in place
> will report
> the version of the MS VM installed otherwise debugging will be a
> ROYAL pain
> in the butt.
> Cheers,
> --Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Woodson" <radman@usefulware.com>
> To: "List AJUG" <ajug-members@ajug.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:03 AM
> Subject: Java and the Microsoft VM
> > Hey All,
> >
> > I am working on an application that will have to be downloaded.  I am
> > writing the app using Sun's JDK for Java 2.  Is it possible to run the
> > application without installing the JRE on the users machine.  In other
> words
> > I would like to use the Microsoft Virtual Machine to execute
> code I wrote
> in
> > standard Java and not J++.  Is this possible?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >