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RE: .Net

WOW!  I knew when I read the first posting about .Net today that this would
be a great conversation, but I never thought I would here comments like
that!

Could I try to answer this question (being a die-heart MS fan and .Net
developer [as well as Java])?  First let me say that Java is not going away.
Java is a great language and developers love it.  It has great OO features
and has proven its self as an enterprise wide development platform.  For
those reasons I don't think it's going out of the picture anytime soon.

But, MS is not dumb... In the last five years lots of VC++ and some VB
developer (including myself) have converted over to Java for one reason or
another (money, OOD, whatever...).  This is why MS is pushing C# so much, to
get back all the developers who left to go Java.

So the questions is will .Net have a bigger developer base than VB, VC,
FoxPro, and J++ combined? Yes!  It's a better platform than previously.
Will some Java programmers convert back to MS and .Net?  Yes!  There will be
more jobs for MS development.  So does that mean Java will go to the
wayside?  No!  But I dough if it will ever be as popular again as it was two
years ago.

Oh, and John... those call center application run on Lucent and Harris
Switches and don't use Java or MS.  And in the hands of an inexperienced
person any OS or development platform would be unstable (MS, UNIX, SQL
Server, Oracle, Cobol, Java, VB, VC, Assembler). Bad code is bad code.

My $0.02

David A. Melton


-----Original Message-----
From: John Camerin [mailto:jcamerin@getthere.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:13 PM
Cc: ajug-members@ajug.org
Subject: RE: .Net


Thats all wonderful and great for Microsoft, but anyone who does any kind of
development where reliability, memory usage, and speed are important, will
not use a Microsoft system.  We're a relatively young company and are paying
the price for having put one of our products on NT servers.  Everything else
is on Unix-based system and there's a good reason for it.  A large number of
applications that the typical person never sees are the applications which
companies spend the most money on and are the toughest on servers.  Think
about that application that your cellular provider runs.  You never really
see it, but that thing is running 24/7/365 without a single minute of
downtime, and processing every call that is made on their network, matching
that call to a customer in the system, rating based on that customer's plan,
printing bills, all while the CSR's are on the front end making further
demands on the system.  You think something like that will ever run on a MS
product?????!!!!
I wouldn't underestimate MS either, and quite possibly a large portion of
products out of smaller development shops may go the way of .NET.  However,
I work for a company that has several Internet based applications that also,
not only must run without downtime, but must be responsive, and accurate.
We would never go to an MS product for our systems.

John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Overley [mailto:joverley@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:41 PM
To: Edward W. Rouse
Cc: ajug-members@ajug.org
Subject: Re: .Net


Microsoft has $ 36 Billion dollars in cash with NO debt, and has just
been unleashed by the Feds.

Although JAVA is a superior arch, don't dismiss their power this time
around. Remeber IBM has a superior OS called OS2 and MS beat them with
Win 3.0. Just my thoughts. we should all be writing our senators and
congresmen and let them know our feelings. Just MS's FUD is enough to
derail JAVA.

JO

Edward W. Rouse wrote:

> Do not discount that SAP, the largest HR, financials, etc... vendor, has
> said that they will go with J2EE and NOT .net. Can peoplesoft be far
> behind?
> Ed.
>
> Thaer Hani Al-Ibaisi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am not with what you have mentioned about .Net and Java, because Java
>> technologies is very strong and reliable to
>> fight against .Net, and the amount of projects that are being developed
in
>> Java are very strong and huge although of the age of Java technologies,
so
>> be sure my friend about Java and keep working on it, and you will see.
>>
>> good luck for all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gurunath Paradarami [mailto:grparadarami@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:36 PM
>> To: Alphatel@Alphatel.com; erouse@vei.net; ajug-members@ajug.org
>> Subject: .Net
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> There is a talk that .Net is going to take the place of JAVA technologies
in
>>
>> 2002.And there wont be many jobs generated in JAVA anymore.Is it true.Do
any
>>
>> one has to say on this.
>>
>> G'
>>
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