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Re: AJUG Jobs in ghost town usa?
I second that motion
At 12:57 PM 8/9/2001 -0700, Ken Pullin wrote:
>I just had a fantastic idea:
>How about we have another mailing list dedicated just
>for people that want to bitch about the job market,
>not having a job, and generally anything else that has
>nothing to do with programming in java or object
>oriented techniques associated with java.
>How about we call it: firstname.lastname@example.org
>- how does that sound?
>--- email@example.com wrote:
> > I did myself a favor and took a look at the other
> > job posting sites. I searched on all Atlanta area
> > jobs for the keywords Java and J2EE then counted the
> > postings that were over 3 months old. Here are the
> > results;
> > WEBsite.........Java....J2EE...3 Months Old
> > Computerjobs.....240.....80.....0
> > Monster..........113.....22.....0
> > Hotjobs...........68......9....13
> > Ajug...............5......2.....4
> > The reason I liked the AJUG job postings is that it
> > showed initiative. Meaning to post companies had to
> > seek out the local Java user group which, in my
> > opinion, shows more effort than most companies.
> > You mentioned "why would they not pay $500 to post
> > on AJUG?" umm... try number of hits per day? This
> > whole idea of paying wouldn't happen to be your idea
> > would it?
> > On Thu, 09 August 2001, Benjamin Sabrin wrote:
> > >
> > > Do yourself a favor and look on Hotjobs,
> > Computerjobs, Monster, etc. and see how many Java
> > jobs there are in Atlanta right now. The answer to
> > that question is not many. If a company is willing
> > to pay to post on those sites, why would they not
> > pay $500 to post on AJUG? However, the truth of
> > the matter is that there are not many companies
> > hiring Java
> > > programmers in Atlanta right now. Ask some of the
> > people that have been out there interviewing, how
> > many offers are you getting? I am guessing maybe
> > one or two. Where last year you could get 5 in a
> > three day period. That should change in the fourth
> > quarter or beginning of next year, but will never
> > get to where is used to be. Personally, I do not
> > > think charging or not charging has much to do with
> > the amount of jobs being posted. If you remember
> > the jobs posted in the past, most were from
> > recruiters not the companies doing the hiring.
> > Also, most were with dot coms, which are now out of
> > business. One last point is this, most companies
> > hiring right now are looking for something very
> > specific.
> > > With that being said, they do not want to be
> > overwhelmed with resumes of people not qualified for
> > the position.
> > >
> > > Ben Sabrin
> > > Vice President of AJUG
> > >
> > > firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> > >
> > > > What happened to the 'AJUG Jobs'? In the past I
> > would scan the postings to keep a pulse on the Atl.
> > job market. Ever since someone had the bright idea
> > to charge for the service it has become less of a
> > service and more of a ghost town. I imagine
> > practically nobody even bothers looking at the 4 job
> > postings with the majority being over 3 months old.
> > > > Why not remove the posting fee since it's
> > obviously not a revenue generator and bring the jobs
> > posting back to the AJUG members? I would be
> > willing to bet that in today's economical times
> > there are a number of AJUG members who could really
> > use some job leads.
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