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RE: any junior positions?

I hope the best for your company but I don't apologize for telling
candidates the truth about what drives employers.  There was a bubble in
the recruiting industry and now it popped.  If your company is doing
well then I am sure it is because you offer great service at a
competitive price.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, John [mailto:jboyle@mdiatl.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:45 AM
To: Tony McCune; 'WillieBlue@aol.com'; 'ajug-members@ajug.org'
Subject: RE: any junior positions?

That's funny, our clients aren't "avoiding" us.  Looks like you have all
the answers so I won't bother trying to sell you on our value.  Do me a
favor though, since you don't represent every hiring authority our
try to make sure that your views don't taint allot of people out there
need a good recruiter to help them with their career search. 

Let me know if I can help you in any other way,

Best Regards,

John Boyle, CTS
Management Decisions, Inc.
(770)416-7323 fax

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony McCune [mailto:tmccune@crosslogic.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:29 AM
To: WillieBlue@aol.com; ajug-members@ajug.org
Subject: RE: any junior positions?

As someone who has done some hiring over the last few months, I can say
that we have fired all the recuiting agencies because of the cost.  In
case you didn't know, they often charge 25 to 35% of the employees
starting salary.  (due on the date of hire)  

They have been discounting like crazy to get the business back but
frankly with good candidates out there sending us resumes why would I
want pay someone to send them to me.  

I agree with Willie, don't waste your time with recuiters, employers are
avoiding them.  I hang up on at least two a week.  Funny how much
changes in nine or ten months.........
If you want a good job in IT be willing to do the following: 
Consider positions that require travel.
Pursue employers directly.. yes this takes some salesmanship, you can do
Look at the total compensation picture and choose a company you want to
stick with.  I hate seeing "superstar" resumes that have "hop around"
all over it.  Why should I commit if you won't?
BTW, don't get sucked into the .NET thing, we consult with the fortune
1000 and most have business reasons that exclude a pure MS approach.  
NO, I am not hiring this week!!!!!!  (but I will put your resume on file
if you have over two years of Java and five of OO using IBM products)

[Tony McCune]  -----Original Message-----
From: WillieBlue@aol.com [mailto:WillieBlue@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:12 AM
To: ajug-members@ajug.org
Subject: Re: any junior positions?

I finally gave up on recruiters and soon got a job. It probably works 
differently for different people. I just found it easier to do the sales

calls on my own. It kept me from losing things in the translation.